Brando

michael diemer
And definitely I'll be looking for one without a monthly fee!

Like SONAR PLATINUM when you pay up front?

Ah, but after a year you no longer get updates, unless you start paying again. Reaper updates? Free.

cparmerlee
 
 
I continue to believe that at this stage of the game, it is not a practical (or smart) goal to try to build "Finale-level" notation into Sonar.  
 

No one has ever wanted that and no one has ever suggested that.  That has absolutely nothing to do with what this conversation is about.

vintagevibe

cparmerlee
I continue to believe that at this stage of the game, it is not a practical (or smart) goal to try to build "Finale-level" notation into Sonar.  
 

No one has ever wanted that and no one has ever suggested that.  That has absolutely nothing to do with what this conversation is about.

How can you possibly know that?  The company has not said what their strategy is with regard to notation. 
 
Noel has said that he offered to hire some of the people working on Spreadbury's team, so we really don't know what the company's goals are with respect to notation, or if they even have any.  You are welcome to assume the company has no grand aspirations, and you might be right about that.  But to say this has nothing to do with the conversation suggests that you are only listening to the part of the conversation you want to hear.  Notation is too important a factor in the future of music technology for the company not to have a strategy that goes beyond fixing triplets.
 

I think what Vintage is referring to, is that what poster are asking for is simply, fix the bugs, and develop it to make it more usable, flexible and intuitive. Where users do want to print (me for example) for most it's not really extensive scores. Posters aren't asking for it to be a competition for Notation specific program such as Finale, that is not an expectation of Sonar from it's user base.

cparmerlee

vintagevibe

cparmerlee
I continue to believe that at this stage of the game, it is not a practical (or smart) goal to try to build "Finale-level" notation into Sonar.  
 

No one has ever wanted that and no one has ever suggested that.  That has absolutely nothing to do with what this conversation is about.

How can you possibly know that?  The company has not said what their strategy is with regard to notation. 
 
Noel has said that he offered to hire some of the people working on Spreadbury's team, so we really don't know what the company's goals are with respect to notation, or if they even have any.  You are welcome to assume the company has no grand aspirations, and you might be right about that.  But to say this has nothing to do with the conversation suggests that you are only listening to the part of the conversation you want to hear.  Notation is too important a factor in the future of music technology for the company not to have a strategy that goes beyond fixing triplets.
 

 
Cakewalk has stated this more than once on this forum but that was not my point.  This conversation is not about Notation app level function.  No DAW does that.

michael diemer

Brando

michael diemer
And definitely I'll be looking for one without a monthly fee!

Like SONAR PLATINUM when you pay up front?

Ah, but after a year you no longer get updates, unless you start paying again. Reaper updates? Free.

Yes- you get what you pay for (yes I've tried Reaper).

Currently downloading Cubase AI for free (came with UR22 audio interface). If I like it I can upgrade to Cubase Elements for 50.00. I will compare the notation editor with Sonar's. It occurred to me recently that even if Sonar does improve notation view, it won't apply to my version, 8.5. So I would have to upgrade to sonar X. Which means I might as well check out other DAWS as I've never been sold on the new Sonar, and especially not the new payment model. Not trying to slam Cakewalk here; it's just the inevitable result of feeling like your needs aren't going to be met, because they don't even appear to be heard at this point, despite this thread.

michael diemer
Ah, but after a year you no longer get updates, unless you start paying again. Reaper updates? Free.

Hi michael -
 
I'm not sure where you got the idea that REAPER updates are free. According to their site:
 
Your one-user, full-use license includes up to two major version numbers' worth of REAPER's famous frequent upgrades. 
From <http://www.cockos.com/reaper/purchase.php> 
 
For example, I paid for a 3.x license and will have to buy a new one when 5.0 comes out.
 
OTOH, FL Studio does in fact offer free lifetime upgrades.
 
-Susan
 

Oops. I guess I didn't see the fine print. but it does say you get many (dozens) of free upgrades between versions. I guess that's what misled me. Anyway...I'm busy exploring Cubase AI. When Reaper gets their notation editor, I'll be checking that out. Studio One is another possible option, as they also produce Notion, which we can surmise may be integrated into the DAW at some point. OR, wonder of wonder of wonders, Cakewalk will do the work necessary to upgrade their notation, and I won't have to leave at all. but I need to look at other options at this point.

Beware Cubase AI is nothing like the real thing.
Despite Sonars notation limitations Jerry Gerber who is one of the most recognised MIDI musicians is able to produce very complex scores and compositions using Sonars notation editor. Not that he doesn't want some improvements himself.

It shows that it's really the persons talent that can work within limitations of the tools and still produce excellent work.

I've never known tools to get in the way of really talented people. People spend a lot of tIme shopping around without making any music. Surely you can make music with any DAW.