So could someone build a notation program that worked in Cakewalk (and other DAWs) as a VST?  In other words, could it work as a normal Sonar view but supplied by a third party as a plug-in?  If so, it wouldn't make sense for Cakewalk to put too much work into SV. I'd pay $50-100 for that, and it wouldn't have to have a lot of exotic features.

Konrad you should be able to reWire Notion into Sonar...i've tried...
 
a shame as Notion is excellent and far cheaper than the two big boys

I still think Sonar is best positioned to produce the first true hybrid. The Notation programs have a huge amount of catchup to begin to rival any of the big DAWS. And sonar as we know is the best, most comprehensive DAW out there. I think it's staff view is most of the way there already. It just continues to amaze me that someone hasn't had a "whoa!" moment and realized that this makes sense, is doable, and would put sonar far ahead of the field. If Sonar misses this chance, I predict that Presonus will integrate Notion into Studio One. They already offer a crossgrade for anyone owning another DAW, and if their next version has notation, that will be game over.

Anderton

Susan G
OTOH, FL Studio does in fact offer free lifetime upgrades.

Yes, but as a fine point this doesn't apply to everything, just like the SONAR membership program doesn't include Cakewalk's new iOS programs or instruments. 

Hi Craig-
 
I don't think that's so much a fine point as a different point than the one I was making, which was that Image-Line offers lifetime free upgrades to FL Studio. I didn't suggest that their free upgrades extend to other I-L products. I've purchased additional products from them over the years, but I haven't spent a single cent on upgrades to FL Studio itself (the core program) for over 15 years.
 
Thanks-
 
-Susan

Susan G

Anderton

Susan G
OTOH, FL Studio does in fact offer free lifetime upgrades.

Yes, but as a fine point this doesn't apply to everything, just like the SONAR membership program doesn't include Cakewalk's new iOS programs or instruments. 

Hi Craig-
 
I don't think that's so much a fine point as a different point than the one I was making, which was that Image-Line offers lifetime free upgrades to FL Studio. I didn't suggest that their free upgrades extend to other I-L products.

I agreed you didn't, but other people assume the "free updates" means instruments because sometimes, some instruments are included in FL Studio updates...so they end up getting upset with Image-Line, just the way some people here got upset they didn't get Rapture Pro as part of the SONAR releases. I figured it was better to clarify that just in case.
 
Remember, I'm the guy at trade shows that these companies come up to and say "Hey, some customer was all upset because they read in the SONAR forums that all our updates are free." (I know that's not what you said, but if you've been following these forums for more than an hour, you know that people often read what they want to read .)

Anderton
Remember, I'm the guy at trade shows that these companies come up to and say "Hey, some customer was all upset because they read in the SONAR forums that all our updates are free." (I know that's not what you said, but if you've been following these forums for more than an hour, you know that people often read what they want to read .)

Hi Craig-
 
All whose updates are free? I'm not following you, sorry.
 
-Susan

Been doing more research. Checked out Motu DP. Looks awesome, I can see why Jerry was tempted. The notation looks great. But - weirdly, you can't mute midi tracks, according to info on Gearslutz Forum. Why would they do this? It's just bizarre. I'm constantly muting midi tracks. for example, I try a phrase on three different string patches to see which sounds best. I mute two of them, etc. Seems like a no-brainer. Sonar just always seems to get these little things right. So, why not notation? come on guys, what do we have to do, stage a tea party in Boston Harbor?

michael diemer
Been doing more research. Checked out Motu DP. Looks awesome, I can see why Jerry was tempted. The notation looks great. But - weirdly, you can't mute midi tracks, according to info on Gearslutz Forum. Why would they do this? It's just bizarre. I'm constantly muting midi tracks. for example, I try a phrase on three different string patches to see which sounds best. I mute two of them, etc. Seems like a no-brainer. Sonar just always seems to get these little things right. So, why not notation? come on guys, what do we have to do, stage a tea party in Boston Harbor?

Don't rely on Gearslutz.  

I've tried Dp8 and I don't think muting midi tracks is an issue.  What killed it for me, besides the bias of having to learn a new system, DP8 does not handle soft synths well at all.  Mixing/rendering is not as quick and easy as Sonar.  The notation was way better than Sonar, but not enough to overcome all the other issues.
 
 
 

I tried the notation in dp8 and experienced a noticeable delay when editing the score. I didn't like it.

Cubase doesn't have the delay. The notation and expression maps in cubase are tempting me...