Jimbo 88
I've tried Dp8 and I don't think muting midi tracks is an issue.  What killed it for me, besides the bias of having to learn a new system, DP8 does not handle soft synths well at all.  Mixing/rendering is not as quick and easy as Sonar.  The notation was way better than Sonar, but not enough to overcome all the other issues.
 
 
 

That's what I mean - Sonar always get the details right, which is why I continue to believe they are so close to being the best DAW on the planet. All they need is better notation. not even as good as DP, just a bit better than now.

I think the notion of improving Staff View by tinkering is a non-starter.  It is just not good enough for that.   I suggest throwing it away and starting fresh.  That is a lot of work, of course.   But there is a simpler way.  There actually is a Cakewalk product, since gone to GenieSoft and who knows where else, called Scorewriter, which is miles superior to the notation tool in Sonar.   It is not Finale or Notion or any other fancier, more up-to-date software.   But it is pretty good and certainly a great improvement over Sonar.   Perhaps Cakewalk could re-acquire the rights and integrate it into Sonar.  it would at least get some of us to shut up.  At least for a while.

I used to use scorewriter. I forgot it was a Cakewalk product. I used to create brass parts for our church band. Interesting idea.

Hands down, as the OP of this thread I have NEVER seen this much interest in the staff view EVER! PLEASE! Bakers, sit up and take notice. 20 pages of responses on this subject should speak volumes as to our interest in getting this issue fixed! How many more pages do we have to go before you see that we users are SERIOUS about wanting to stay with your product if you will just fix it?

Sidroe
Hands down, as the OP of this thread I have NEVER seen this much interest in the staff view EVER! PLEASE! Bakers, sit up and take notice.

Hear, hear!
 
I've always thought there was more than meets the eye with respect to people wanting a better staff view.  

Sidroe
Hands down, as the OP of this thread I have NEVER seen this much interest in the staff view EVER! PLEASE! Bakers, sit up and take notice. 20 pages of responses on this subject should speak volumes as to our interest in getting this issue fixed! How many more pages do we have to go before you see that we users are SERIOUS about wanting to stay with your product if you will just fix it?

What he said. PLEASE!

I've had my share of notation complaints.  Thanks to Jerry G. I've learned to use it better (and I do use it).  I looked at DP and tried it out, but I love Sonar so much more in the other areas that I can't justify a switch.  I hope notation gets some love in the future, would just make it perfect in my eyes.

Jon Bryson
I've had my share of notation complaints.  Thanks to Jerry G. I've learned to use it better (and I do use it).  I looked at DP and tried it out, but I love Sonar so much more in the other areas that I can't justify a switch.  I hope notation gets some love in the future, would just make it perfect in my eyes.

I am glad I could help you. 
 
 

michael diemer
After fooling around with Cubase AI for awhile: If the higher versions are no better, I must admit that Sonar (8.5) is far superior. One down and a few more to go...maybe the new Reaper version with notation will be the one (but I kind of doubt it). As has been said, you get what you pay for. Sonar on the whole is incredible. Which makes this so frustrating. Just minor, really doable improvements in notation, and it would be light years ahead of the competition. Sigh...

As I said in my previous post "Cubase AI is nothing like the real thing" or the full version. They are light years apart. This is true of many give away products compared to the flagship of the line. Just like Sonar LE is light years behind Sonar Platinum. Cubase have a demo don't they?

Susan G

Anderton
Remember, I'm the guy at trade shows that these companies come up to and say "Hey, some customer was all upset because they read in the SONAR forums that all our updates are free." (I know that's not what you said, but if you've been following these forums for more than an hour, you know that people often read what they want to read .)

Hi Craig-
 
All whose updates are free? I'm not following you, sorry.
 
-Susan

Sorry, the second paragraph was a hypothetical of Image-Line saying someone complained because "they read in the SONAR forum that all updates are free." That's not exactly what you said, but is what someone might read it your post because that's what they want to read into it.
 
I'm sensitive to making sure that when there are mentions of programs from other manufacturers, what they can or cannot do is stated clearly so people don't spread misinformation based on how they interpret something...just like some people here assumed a SONAR Membership Program meant you got new instruments for free.
 
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