lfm

jsg

riojazz
I have a buddy who raves about Digital Performer on his Mac, so I tried the demo for the Windows version when it first came out.  Like Komposer described a few posts above, it was so buggy I quickly uninstalled it.  Now I'll have to try the demo again. 
 
 

Same here, the first release for Windows was buggy, I took it off my computer as well.  But I never forgot the beautiful interface, the superior notation and the fact that it supports 64-bit and VSTs.  So I waited and downloaded it again last month.  
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com
 

Current DP version for windows is 8.07(sept 2014) still, which I ran in december.
 
All tuts crashed on me, but own projects worked fine.
Waves Element synth, scans but nowhere to be found for insert.
DDMF Metaplugin got both version Synth/effect as effect so nowhere to be inserted as synth - or I could load Element with Metaplugin, so fail again.
 
Dave was kind to let me trial twice 8.04 and 8.07, but still for me showstoppers.
Then it was scan of Magix Independent that hung and could not be used.
 
But will check DP9, unless Cakewalk announce something first for notation improvements.
I also like chunks idea in DP but for me Cubase style Arranger Tracks in Sonar would do as supplement.
I will try Insert Time in Sonar and see how well it works as a workaround.
 
I really want my full chain of events to notation if possible - for registration purposes of songs - with least amount of effort. And since I took drum lessons two years ago and learned to read drumscore, I realized the weakness of current daw treatment. Just about all beats I come up with are triplet based. And running daw as 12/8 and translate to 4/4 triplet score is a battle.

I'm running DP 8.07 on a Windows 7 service pack 1 64-bit machine (16 GB mem) and it is working fine.  So far I've tested midi playback and editing, audio playback and editing, audio file import, bounce to disc, VST plugins (I have about 10 and they all are working including a 32-bit synth with a jbridge wrapper).  An occasional crash if I close a file too quickly with Kontakt 4 running.  If I first close the file and then close the program this resolves it.  Otherwise all is well...
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 

jsg
I'm running DP 8.07 on a Windows 7 service pack 1 64-bit machine (16 GB mem) and it is working fine.  So far I've tested midi playback and editing, audio playback and editing, audio file import, bounce to disc, VST plugins (I have about 10 and they all are working including a 32-bit synth with a jbridge wrapper).  An occasional crash if I close a file too quickly with Kontakt 4 running.  If I first close the file and then close the program this resolves it.  Otherwise all is well...
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 

Just mentioned two major bummers with DP for me, Waves Element synth and Metaplugin.
Metaplugin being the life saver in so many areas overcoming routing limitations in daws.
Other VI and the external instruments are fine.
Their tuts I had crashes with, might be Mac versions I downloaded or something, don't know, but no sign of that they would try to solve it either.
 
Compare with dedication from Waves, calling me(Scandinavia, sweden) from US and running TeamViewer for hours trying to nail issue I had with a plugin. Finally traced to be a bug in plugin which they are looking into now. I'll gladly pay WUP to have my tools working as I gladly pay membership by Cakewalk to have these fixes coming all the time.
 
What are Motu up too, really, now two years after launch - still with plugin scan issues?
**** happends in all software, difference is what a vendor do about it.
Cakewalk means business, to me.
 
 

lfm

jsg
I'm running DP 8.07 on a Windows 7 service pack 1 64-bit machine (16 GB mem) and it is working fine.  So far I've tested midi playback and editing, audio playback and editing, audio file import, bounce to disc, VST plugins (I have about 10 and they all are working including a 32-bit synth with a jbridge wrapper).  An occasional crash if I close a file too quickly with Kontakt 4 running.  If I first close the file and then close the program this resolves it.  Otherwise all is well...
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 

Just mentioned two major bummers with DP for me, Waves Element synth and Metaplugin.
Metaplugin being the life saver in so many areas overcoming routing limitations in daws.
Other VI and the external instruments are fine.
Their tuts I had crashes with, might be Mac versions I downloaded or something, don't know, but no sign of that they would try to solve it either.
 
Compare with dedication from Waves, calling me(Scandinavia, sweden) from US and running TeamViewer for hours trying to nail issue I had with a plugin. Finally traced to be a bug in plugin which they are looking into now. I'll gladly pay WUP to have my tools working as I gladly pay membership by Cakewalk to have these fixes coming all the time.
 
What are Motu up too, really, now two years after launch - still with plugin scan issues?
**** happends in all software, difference is what a vendor do about it.
Cakewalk means business, to me.
 
 

FYI:
 
It wouldn't surprise me if the errors end-users encounter with software are attributable to user-error or user-system configuration as often as there are actual bugs in software.  This may, or may not, be the case with you.  I successfully scanned the following VST plugins with DP8.07 for Windows (Win7, 64-bit, sp1):
 
Synthesizers:
Massive
Kontakt
FM8
Rapture
Z3TA-2
Dimension Pro
Tera
 
Signal processing:
Ozone 5 mastering suite
Power Suite 5 signal plugin suit
 
I've been playing the synths and working on a piece with Kontakt 4 and it all works properly. 
 
So, might it be systemic to your drivers, OS setup, or some other problem. 
 
 

I agree with Jerry about most cakewalk customers don't read music so why should they concentrate on a good notation editor! I also think that a good notation editor is beyond cakewalk's developement team talent. I say this because most of the new plugins and developement come from other companies such as Roland. I'd be willing to bet that some other company will help or just plain develope Sonar's notation editor when and if it happens.

What have we had new from Roland. Not disputing the idea that Cake don't really understand their own Staff view mechanism to fix and develop it. Just wondered apart from V-Vocal, which is now old, what came from Roland. Thought Overloud  and SoftTubes developed thier plugs, and the latest addition Rap. Pro, is in house.

jsg
 
So, might it be systemic to your drivers, OS setup, or some other problem. 

..and what did MOtu do to figure that out - zero, zilch, nothing - that was my point.
Addictive Keys, Magix Independent Pro, Dimension Pro, Wivi Orchestral brass, PatchworkSynth ran just fine.
Workaround to run Element was to load inside Patchwork, since you load directly from disk by yourself.
But found no workaround for Metaplugin - since both effect and synth version were listed only among effects - DP probably got confused since MetapluginSynth have audio inputs, which is VST3 only for synths.
 
But more than anything - is Motu reliable when it comes maintenance?
 
I feel Cake is more determined than anybody else - I can wait for them to improve something, if not showstoppers. So any improvement on metronome and/or notation - bond is even stronger. I'll buy up to Platinum even to get that, now running Artist. Rewire improvements targeting some notation software or internal staff view improvements.
 
Notation improvements has been on wishlist on Sonar forum since I ran Sonar 4. Maybe ripe time is now.

ronboy1952
I agree with Jerry about most cakewalk customers don't read music so why should they concentrate on a good notation editor! I also think that a good notation editor is beyond cakewalk's developement team talent. I say this because most of the new plugins and developement come from other companies such as Roland. I'd be willing to bet that some other company will help or just plain develope Sonar's notation editor when and if it happens.

Simplification to say most users don't read music, imo. After years of training in the conservatory of music, I am quite adept at reading and sight reading. But after years of playing in bands, I developed a better ear and improvisational skills. I compose in PRV and rarely in staff view- and when I need notation, I export midi from sonar into Notion or Progression. I've tried rewire but it is so limiting as to not be worth the trouble.
Even Jerry got by with Sonar's limitations for a lot of years before losing patience. A lot of users have found a way to get through. That said, I would guess most users have at least some basic skill in notation, chords or TAB, and would benefit from fixing long standing bugs, and bringing the staff view up to date. Most users are musicians first and foremost. I would hazard a guess that almost all users would like to at least print a reasonable lead sheet/score of their composition or interpretation. (IMO)

I'm totally agree with you. I think Staff view must be much better than now.
 
Let's go we can!
 
 
 

Brando

ronboy1952
I agree with Jerry about most cakewalk customers don't read music so why should they concentrate on a good notation editor! I also think that a good notation editor is beyond cakewalk's developement team talent. I say this because most of the new plugins and developement come from other companies such as Roland. I'd be willing to bet that some other company will help or just plain develope Sonar's notation editor when and if it happens.

Simplification to say most users don't read music, imo. After years of training in the conservatory of music, I am quite adept at reading and sight reading. But after years of playing in bands, I developed a better ear and improvisational skills. I compose in PRV and rarely in staff view- and when I need notation, I export midi from sonar into Notion or Progression. I've tried rewire but it is so limiting as to not be worth the trouble.
Even Jerry got by with Sonar's limitations for a lot of years before losing patience. A lot of users have found a way to get through. That said, I would guess most users have at least some basic skill in notation, chords or TAB, and would benefit from fixing long standing bugs, and bringing the staff view up to date. Most users are musicians first and foremost. I would hazard a guess that almost all users would like to at least print a reasonable lead sheet/score of their composition or interpretation. (IMO)

Good points Brando. Question for you: I am also looking to export midi at some point into Notion or Musescore to do score work there. but I 'm on 8.5, which does not have XML. Do you happen to know if exporting in midi1 will work well for a notation program?

michael diemer

Brando

ronboy1952
I agree with Jerry about most cakewalk customers don't read music so why should they concentrate on a good notation editor! I also think that a good notation editor is beyond cakewalk's developement team talent. I say this because most of the new plugins and developement come from other companies such as Roland. I'd be willing to bet that some other company will help or just plain develope Sonar's notation editor when and if it happens.

Simplification to say most users don't read music, imo. After years of training in the conservatory of music, I am quite adept at reading and sight reading. But after years of playing in bands, I developed a better ear and improvisational skills. I compose in PRV and rarely in staff view- and when I need notation, I export midi from sonar into Notion or Progression. I've tried rewire but it is so limiting as to not be worth the trouble.
Even Jerry got by with Sonar's limitations for a lot of years before losing patience. A lot of users have found a way to get through. That said, I would guess most users have at least some basic skill in notation, chords or TAB, and would benefit from fixing long standing bugs, and bringing the staff view up to date. Most users are musicians first and foremost. I would hazard a guess that almost all users would like to at least print a reasonable lead sheet/score of their composition or interpretation. (IMO)

Good points Brando. Question for you: I am also looking to export midi at some point into Notion or Musescore to do score work there. but I 'm on 8.5, which does not have XML. Do you happen to know if exporting in midi1 will work well for a notation program?

Sure- I use midi myself to import into Notion 4 on my daw or Notion 5 for my iPad. Multi parts (type1) are imported fine but you have to decide if importing midi that works in sonar's PRV is worth editing for notation purposes versus replaying a part (in Notion) to a strict click to get clean notation. Often I find this easier than editing the Midi in Notion. I only ever print basic lead sheets (two staff piano accompaniment, (sometimes)1 staff melody, lyrics (if relevant) and chords).