Brando

Sure- I use midi myself to import into Notion 4 on my daw or Notion 5 for my iPad. Multi parts (type1) are imported fine but you have to decide if importing midi that works in sonar's PRV is worth editing for notation purposes versus replaying a part (in Notion) to a strict click to get clean notation. Often I find this easier than editing the Midi in Notion. I only ever print basic lead sheets (two staff piano accompaniment, (sometimes)1 staff melody, lyrics (if relevant) and chords).

Well, that's encouraging. I'll just have to try it and see. After I finish my current project, otherwise it becomes an excuse for avoidance behavior.

The staff view is even more useless in the current edition- full of errors/bugs in the use of the tools, in particular the smart tool, which in staff view is dumb tool. The push to make Sonar a tool for the pre made loops market of users who claim to write songs is just a symptom of making it for the lowest common denominator. If you can use piano view to write harmonic music by looking at a rectangle representing a note or to even know what note you are looking at without mousing over it or following a line back to the vertical keyboard, I'd like to know the secret. Given its view name from piano rolls for people who can't play a piano is somewhat ironic to me. Perhaps make two versions of platinum, one for notation without all the features for sequencer users and a second version without a scoring staff view but with all the sequencing features for the loopers.

So as not to soil another forum thread, I will post some thoughts here.

If Cakewalk is concerned about the ROI of fixing the triplet issues in the SV, I must conclude that the code is unmaintainble, and a full rewrite would be required. If that's the case, then I understand why we may never see any fixes.

If voting for DAW software / features is done with dollars toward purchases or upgrades, it would not be in my best interest to upgrade Sonar at this point. I would be sending the wrong message. I will wait for a release which has the fixes and features which are important to me, or I will move on to something else which emerges as a suitable replacement.

I am dismayed at the years of silence from Cakewalk regarding the SV triplet issue. There is at least one other DAW application out there, where the Devs have indicated that their SV is in development, but will not be present in the next major release, rathther, more likely in the dot release following it. How refreshing.

In the main Sonar Advertisement section there are 2 references to how great the Notation side of the DAW is, whilst they neglect bugs for 5 years. This alone is why they should be tackling now, otherwise it's disingenuous to talk about the benefits of the new system and that you get fixes whilst you only pay, and to make out that an element of the software is a great asset, whilst not treating it so. 

Bacon... Yummy....

Check out Samplitude Pro X2. It has significantly sophisticated notation features.

This is a serious question, I'm not being sarcastic or digging (this time :))
 
I've searched and even purchased some Notation apps, not for composition but for sharing with other players and to document ideas.  It's really easy to revisit things with an acoustic guitar and printed chart without having to be tethered to a PC.
 
Anyway, in my searching I've noticed that the major players all support score playback via VSTs.  So if your thing is composition, wouldn't it make more sense to use a purpose built notation application?  They provide playback for that is at least good enough for writing.
 
Then when a score is finished, move it to a sequencer for the more powerful samplers, softsynths and mixing capabilities?
 
Or are you folks really in between these extremes, looking mainly for fixes?
 
I've visit enough scoring application forums to see that even the most sophisticated notation software has a never-ending list of requests from users.  So I wonder if Cakewalk went down the Staff View path, at what point would folks be more/less happy with it?  Or would it end up being perpetually inadequate until Staff View capabilities rival those of the top tier scoring tools?
 
Seriously - I'm not making suggestions or trolling.  I'm just mulling this over trying to look at it from the developer's perspective.
 
I'm guessing here, but I doubt Cakewalk is a cash cow for Gibson right now.  I'm betting they have a ton to do in all parts of Sonar and their other products trying to build the income stream.
 
 

BobF
I've searched and even purchased some Notation apps ... I've noticed that the major players all support score playback via VSTs. 

Please tells us more about that.  To my knowledge, NONE of the major notation apps are integrated with any DAWs at this point.  The best you can do today is painstakingly follow a very manual, tedious process to move information from the notation program into the DAW, one instrument at a time, by exporting MIDI.  And that is not a 2-way process.  If you want to make any changes in either platform, ti will not be reflected in the other environment.
 
That's one of the two big problems discussed on this thread.  It is an obvious, practically a no-brainer requirement that notation and DAW programs work more seamlessly.  We have technologies like Rewire to integrate programs.  Something like that is needed to make DAWs and notation play together better.  That is what serious notation users need.
 
The other need expressed here is for Cakewalk to fix the long-outstanding bugs in the lightweight notation that is built into Sonar.

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BobF
I've searched and even purchased some Notation apps ... I've noticed that the major players all support score playback via VSTs. 

Please tells us more about that.  To my knowledge, NONE of the major notation apps are integrated with any DAWs at this point.  The best you can do today is painstakingly follow a very manual, tedious process to move information from the notation program into the DAW, one instrument at a time, by exporting MIDI.  And that is not a 2-way process.  If you want to make any changes in either platform, ti will not be reflected in the other environment.
 
That's one of the two big problems discussed on this thread.  It is an obvious, practically a no-brainer requirement that notation and DAW programs work more seamlessly.  We have technologies like Rewire to integrate programs.  Something like that is needed to make DAWs and notation play together better.  That is what serious notation users need.
 
The other need expressed here is for Cakewalk to fix the long-outstanding bugs in the lightweight notation that is built into Sonar.

Exactly. In an age in which we will soon witness a spacecraft do a fly-by of Pluto, why is it too much to ask that we have a single software program that can adequately sequence as well as notate? Is this really such a Herculean task? Or is it just complacency? Which will in the end be the death of Sonar or anything else that does not keep growing and meeting the demands of the marketplace.