The lack of a decent staff view is just another example of dumbing down music. I defy anyone to create harmonies and discordance by "reading the piano roll view" with regards to time spent using traditional notation. Cakewalk has stated that musicians and composers are not a large part of their customer base. Clearly the construction kits and loops based users are in the majority and if that says anything - it points to EDM et al users. I'd like to see a print out of piano roll view handed to a film scoring orchestra to play.

It seems to me Cakewalk is happy to contribute to the dumbing down process for the sake of profit. Personally I think they should be expanding the horizons of modern composition instead of providing sequencer software alternatives that belong to principally historical Roland drum machines and Akai samplers (substitute your own hardware brands, models and devices) from the previous century.

An alternative is to make the staff view functions and libraries open source and in no time at all there would be a plethora of viable solutions.

Not that I want to start a definition war but those who argue it is a DAW and not a notation program, I would ask you to consider that Digital Audio Workstation contains no mention of midi nor does Sonar have an audio editor like Sound Forge. The inclusive definition is “Digital”, which is a reference to binary code and thus it is perfectly acceptable to include a digital notation view.

An alternative is the rumoured contemplation of Sony Creative Software to include a full DAW in Vegas Pro video. They already have the expertise and could provide a real threat to Sonar.

Where do people come up with this stuff?

Don't ask me Mike.
 
I have never used a staff view for creating complex harmonies and don't intend to start now!

Bristol_Jonesey
Don't ask me Mike.
 
I have never used a staff view for creating complex harmonies and don't intend to start now!

I was referring to the claimed insights into companies and the industry and the incredible speculation. It's like a comical game of Chinese whispers or is that checkers?

I don't use the staff view either, but that doesn't discount the folks that want it improved.
It would be a great idea if (a) Cake revamped the staff view to meet user needs or (b) 3rd party staff progs could integrate into Sonar - much like Sound Forge can be your audio editor inside Sonar.
 
That said, I don't assume or expect Sonar to be my nexus for everything audio.
Though I use a lot of core Sonar stuff, I frequently use non-Cake synths and 3rd party plugs.
Not a dis on Cake, I just find other options outside of Sonar (and there are many) fit better at what I'm going for.
 

vmw
Cakewalk has stated that musicians and composers are not a large part of their customer base.

Well mudgel, sorry to  burst your bubble but it's absolutely true that very few musicians use SONAR. The latest survey shows that the majority of Cakewalk users are astronauts, teddy bear repair technicians, whaling ship captains, IMAX screen cleaners, pet food testers, and undergarment designers. However, I'd sure like to know how vmw managed to get his hands on this highly confidential information...i can only assume he works in marketing at Cakewalk. 
 

Anderton

vmw
Cakewalk has stated that musicians and composers are not a large part of their customer base.

Well mudgel, sorry to  burst your bubble but it's absolutely true that very few musicians use SONAR. The latest survey shows that the majority of Cakewalk users are astronauts, teddy bear repair technicians, whaling ship captains, IMAX screen cleaners, pet food testers, and undergarment designers. However, I'd sure like to know how vmw managed to get his hands on this highly confidential information...i can only assume he works in marketing at Cakewalk. 
 

Awesome!!! That's funny stuff right there. Made me laugh out loud.
 
Rocky

vmw
 
An alternative is the rumoured contemplation of Sony Creative Software to include a full DAW in Vegas Pro video. They already have the expertise and could provide a real threat to Sonar.

Okay, now I understand...you're a time traveler from 1998, and you missed all the stuff that happened between then and now.
 
Vegas was introduced in 1999 as a DAW intended to compete with Pro Tools. The only connection to video at that time was the inclusion of a primitive video preview window. I first saw an early rough version of Vegas during a private showing at Frankfurt Musikmesse, and told the person showing me the program that not being able to support control surfaces would hold them back. Aside from that, though, I thought it was more capable and straightforward than Pro Tools.
 
However the program didn't get traction against Pro Tools, and in 2000 Sonic Foundry released Vegas Video 1.0, which allowed putting multiple videos on a timeline in a variety of formats, and editing them. (FYI Final Cut Pro didn't have this capability until 2007.)
 
Vegas can already do ASIO, run DirectX and VST plug-ins, has buses, and other common DAW features because it started life as a DAW. About the only thing left to add is MIDI. With Acid seemingly no longer being developed, perhaps Vegas will port over Acid's MIDI implementation but don't kid yourself - Vegas is about [great] video editing that was built on a DAW chassis, which it retains to this day. That's one reason why musicians find it so easy to get into video with Vegas.
 
I'd be willing to bet the odds of seeing serious notation inside Vegas are about the same as seeing extensive non-linear video editing within SONAR.
 
 

Anderton

vmw
Cakewalk has stated that musicians and composers are not a large part of their customer base.

Well mudgel, sorry to  burst your bubble but it's absolutely true that very few musicians use SONAR. The latest survey shows that the majority of Cakewalk users are astronauts, teddy bear repair technicians, whaling ship captains, IMAX screen cleaners, pet food testers, and undergarment designers. However, I'd sure like to know how vmw managed to get his hands on this highly confidential information...i can only assume he works in marketing at Cakewalk. 
 

haha!!!!   yuk yuk!   ;>)
 
 

Anderton

vmw
Cakewalk has stated that musicians and composers are not a large part of their customer base.

Well mudgel, sorry to  burst your bubble but it's absolutely true that very few musicians use SONAR. The latest survey shows that the majority of Cakewalk users are astronauts, teddy bear repair technicians, whaling ship captains, IMAX screen cleaners, pet food testers, and undergarment designers. However, I'd sure like to know how vmw managed to get his hands on this highly confidential information...i can only assume he works in marketing at Cakewalk. 
 

The guy has an opinion. You don't have to agree, but you also don't have to make the guy feel like an idiot. Been taking HR training with Alex? I hold you to a higher standard than the civilians.