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2015/01/17 23:56:19
Paul P
 
I get the feeling that if there was enough discussion of the calibre of the last few posts, Staff view might get some attention.  It would be nice if a tutorial existed that explained the various possible workflows then showed what you can and cannot do and what is problematic.  I'm sure there'd be a lot to learn, both from the daw and music theory points of view.
 
2015/01/18 00:56:41
Guitarpima
The "Staff" view IS the original DAW. Everything else is rote.
2015/01/18 01:42:44
Kamikaze
Paul P
 
I get the feeling that if there was enough discussion of the calibre of the last few posts, Staff view might get some attention.  It would be nice if a tutorial existed that explained the various possible workflows then showed what you can and cannot do and what is problematic.  I'm sure there'd be a lot to learn, both from the daw and music theory points of view.
 




I think if Cake tried to make a good quality tutorial for staff view, they'd be forced to over haul it. Can you imagine. "When dealing with triplets, simple.....er..........ah...........hmmmmmmm.....ah Ok?!?!?!?"
 

2015/01/20 11:12:15
vintagevibe
Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
We frequently (annuallyish) investigate Staff View improvements, or even an overhaul. It's not "dead" nor "abandoned." It has just been "deferred" due to other priorities that impact a larger group of customers. Don't lose hope. We understand there is room for improvement and intend to tackle it eventually. Our new release model will allow us to budget time and resources more easily, so it's more realistic now than it has been in years. Thanks for being patient.


With all due respect Cakewalk has been saying this for 20 years (there were some very minor improvements at one point that were later removed).  When the X series was released Cakewalk spokesmen said that with the new Skylight interface they are now poised to visit notation.  Now its the new "release model".  Cakewalk has intended "to tackle it" since the 90's but it has been ignored.  Talking about it on the forum but not doing it for 20 years is might be seen as intentionally giving a certain impression to keep customers.  It' is unfair to people asking for it to lead them on but never do it.  Others from Cakewalk have told me it will never get any major upgrade.  It would be fair to tell customers that it will never be done since 2 decades have proven that to be the case.
2015/01/20 11:35:35
Sidroe
WOW! When I started this thread I figured there would be a few responses and it would quickly disappear. I am so comforted to know that there are so many of us that want this , to us, critical feature fixed. Truthfully, I am very doubtful that we will see the notation window fixed. I hope more people chime in and maybe Gibson will take note that this feature is really worth investing the time and effort to fix it.
2015/01/20 11:42:21
cityrat
Sidroe
WOW! When I started this thread I figured there would be a few responses and it would quickly disappear. I am so comforted to know that there are so many of us that want this , to us, critical feature fixed.



Same with me.  I hope enough of us "squeaky wheels" will be able to communicate our desires w/o it being perceived  as rude.  But I do think the only way we can make a dent in this is to just keep asking and being as clear as possible what we want. 
2015/01/20 11:59:10
SONARtist
I too would like to have "good" notation within SONAR.  I don't need to have the fully-blown and costly Finale or Sibelius et al, but I do need to print off what I compose or arrange to give to other musicians (I don't have ALL the skills :-)
I used to do it within Cake until something changed a few years back.  Now I am doing this work by hand.
On another note: I was on the "Features & Ideas" section of the "Feedback Loop" board where many good ideas were being touted, but nothing about notation !  Shouldn't we raise our voices over there .... ?
2015/01/20 12:01:55
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
I can see this is a hot topic, so I took a look at the Feature Request forum (http://forum.cakewalk.com/Features-Ideas-f76.aspx). Maybe I missed something, but I don't see any Staff View features or requests listed in the 2 pages there. If there are, I unfortunately missed it and they are definitely not the most popular topics. Anyways, to start addressing concerns we'll need to know what Staff users really want/need and to see what type of support they get.  

Please take a moment and start listing what you'd like to see over in that forum.
 
vintagevibe
 
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Others from Cakewalk have told me it will never get any major upgrade. 
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Do you remember who those employees were and what year? It's entirely possible they aren't even with the company anymore. 
2015/01/20 12:12:57
Kamikaze
Seth, it seems that what most people want are the bug fixed. As these aren't features requests, then they don't belong there. I was going to create a feature request, but it seems the main issues are snapping issues, and triplets. As the thread is titles ' No Notations fixes' not 'No new notation features'. 
 
Seems not all those who want SV looked at, cares about printing, which would be a feature request.
 
2015/01/20 12:14:27
Kamikaze
BTW how many things from Feature Request have you implemented? Seems some posters think that using that section is futile.
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