So as of today, Sibelius 8 rewires ok.  Never mind!

eph221
So as of today, Sibelius 8 rewires ok.  Never mind!

Not really.  "Normal" Rewire uses audio streams.  Finale doesn't support Rewire at all.  Sibelius supports it, but only as a single stereo mix, which is basically worthless for DAW purposes.  StudioOne can send each staff to the DAW as an audio stream, which is what ought to be universal.
 
However, you can send the MIDI from Sibelius unto MIDI tracks in Sonar and use Rewire to sync the timing.  I did a little testing with that, but haven't tried to do a big project that way, as Sibelius still has some pretty major deficiencies that keep it from being the "go to" notation program for me. 

Oh,  thanks for the knowledge.  I only understood it in the latter sense.  Sometimes I think cakewalk has a pet alien that knows how to incorporate notation into sonar...but we as humans can only handle so much change (to whit the gradual monthly changes).  Cakewalk is headquartered in the same city as Noam Chomsky afterall.

eph221
Oh,  thanks for the knowledge.  I only understood it in the latter sense.  Sometimes I think cakewalk has a pet alien that knows how to incorporate notation into sonar...but we as humans can only handle so much change (to whit the gradual monthly changes).  Cakewalk is headquartered in the same city as Noam Chomsky afterall.

Lol! Awesome Noam Chomsky reference!

jsg

annifarkle

jsg
As I mentioned in the other notation thread, a few weeks ago I got an email from Cakewalk asking me to send them images of how dotted, tied and nested triplets look in Sibelius.   I honored the request (obviously!) so let's hope that the developers are going to finally fix these long-standing issues. 
 
I also sent them a file showing the proper place for a dot next to a note--it should never been on a  staff line, but always slightly above it.  Perhaps this too will be repaired. 
 
Jerry
http://www.jerrygerber.com
 

1. How about when you right click the c note on the treble staff or the e note on the bass staff and the note properties window doesn't pop up? Instead you get the process menu.
2. How about when you try to copy and paste something it pastes it a measure or further back from where you're telling it you want it?
3. How about when you're trying to add 32nd notes one after the other and they pop forward to align with the preceding note, so you have to keep moving them back to the right position.
4. How about being able to write a second or third verse below the 1st line of lyrics?
 
These are just a few off the top of my head.
 
 

1.  If you click just to the left or right of the note when the note is on a lower ledger line you can get to the properties.  If that doesn't work you can always use event inspector.  Or, if you drag the note whose properties you need down a few ledger lines and drag it back that seems to work too.

2.  I haven't seen that issue.  Are you using Sonar Platinum?

3.  I have no issue with 32nds notes.  Did you check your note resolution display in the staff view and make sure it's on the highest resolution?

4.  I don't use Sonar for lyrics, can't help there.

JG
http://www.jerrygerber.com

Just now saw this reply.
2. Sonar Platinum but I've seen it in earlier versions too. I had this happen again two days ago.
 
3. Yes I had the resolution on 32nd notes.

I would like to see an easier way to choose the note durations. Sibelius has the number pad which works well enough for me, but I would be okay with a line of note icons above the staff. I'd be fine with driving my mouse up there to click on them. Cakewalk 3.1 had this kind of set up. Yes. I have been using Cakewalk since 3.1. 
 

After installing Hopkinton last week, the first thing I noticed (naturally since I use the staff view frequently) was that the amount of "snap-to" was off by one.  In other words, if I select a quarter note, the snap-to moved in eighths, if I select an eighth note, the snap-to moved by sixteeenths, and so on. 
 
After finally fixing the snap function in Sonar Platinum (it got messed up beginning with X1) it somehow got broken again, but broken in a slightly different way.  
 
I cannot be the only person who has noticed this.   Of course I submitted a bug report.
 
Jerry
http://www.jerrygerber.com
 
 
 
 

BOY! I never had an inkling that this thread when I created it would last this long. Surely, the bakers can't ignore these issues with SV any longer. Come on, Cake!
And I thank all of you for keeping this topic on the table with all your great posts.

Well , I have to say this thread sure is one Epic Thread ….
 
I have stayed out of it on purpose up until this moment …
 
I feel that members like Jerry and a few of the other hard core contributors have championed the fix SONARs notation cause much more elegantly then I could have posibly done ….
these guys are power users in my book 
 
My Fundamental issue w SONARS lack of notation abilities is based on one simple truth ….Which I will get to eventually lol
 
Written Music is one of the few Universal languages we have on This Planet Earth …
With written Music you have a language that crosses every possible barrier that exists in most of All Human Kinds localized attempts at communication …
 
What are some of these barriers ? 
Ethnicity or Origin of Birth / Geographical Spoken Dialect  , Gender, Choice of Worship …ect add nausem
 
Any person on this planet that happens to be fluent in reading and writing music already posses the key that unlocks the cage of limitation that mankind's localized attempts at communication have built ….
 
It is no accident that much of this worlds beloved Music &  Masterpiece's that have stood the test of time have had a humble birth from within the mind and heart of the Composer …
One of the Composers primary tools for recording and sharing his Musical Ideas was a simple pen and Music Staff Paper …..
Once a Composer committed his or her composition to paper The Composer was in possession of a document .   
When this document was an accurate representation of the Composers Inspiration and hard work , the Composer was now in a position to share his or her work with The World and have this Music Played in any Country by Anyone who could read and play written Music ….
( they also needed what ever Chops it took to be able to play / give wings to the musical interpretation ) 
 
IMHO, 
Creative intelligent human beings are hard wired in an archetypal sort of way and many have the strong desire to leave or create something of value to live on long after they have moved on …  
The fundamental Ideal and hallmark a person with that value has is to leave The Wold A Better Place than they found it….  
 
One of the most amazing attributes of written Music as a universal language is it's ability to travel across time in a forward time line direction and communicate with the future generations of the "yet to be born musicians "  ….
to be fair ,
The same can be said of many of mankind's achievements in art , poetry, literature , theater, science , mathematics and so many other highly specialized respective topics and their respective future practitioners .   
 
in closing , 
 
Music is governed by many of the fundamental laws and attributes that are contained in Mathematics & Science . 
 
In the simplest of terms I can muster up ,
 
To have a non working correctly staff view = the equivalent of not abiding with the laws of Mathematics …
(regardless of the reason why it doesn't work correctly or as it should ) 
 
To not abide by the laws of Mathematics = to no longer having a properly functioning written Universal language .
 
like it or not , it really is that simple folks  , I hate to say it , but it is true  
 
 
Kenny 

Both are onl
I don't mean to be disagreeable but written music in the form of a staff with octaves that comprise 8 full tones etc etc is no more universal than English as a spoken and written language.
 
it is only available and understood by those who learn to read and write and speak that language the same as any.
 
Asian music in its various forms bears no resemblance in sound with respect to octaves and 8 tones for each, or written the way you're considering the classical form of presenting composition. Sorry its no more a reason for Cakewalks commitment to improving Sonar's notation. But if you'd read the other thread that actually focuses on what Cakewalk has done you'll find that gradually, little bit by little bit, Cakewalk are improving notation.