One thing I'm fairly certain about is, if the bakers had read this entire thread, they may have rewritten the drum map UI top to bottom by now.

+1 to the wiper analogy, but unfortunately that applies to multiple components. SV is one of many, which is why I often take a stance of perfecting "what is" rather than adding to the pile.

Adding a dashboard ornament or spraying car freshener, or even a fancy spoiler, means little if the wipers don't work, the tires are half inflated and the paint is peeling off. None of these make the car "not run," but each will bother someone to a certain degree.

We all have our hot buttons, but the consensus in many threads often reflects perfecting "what exists" followed by workflow enhancements.

I see that PT First has in-app purchasing functions.

kennywtelejazz
 
 
Speaking in general terms as far as the Elitist type of attitudes go . 
This is just a casual observation and not an attack directed at any of you fine gents or ladies ….
After laying out some big pocket change for the hardware , the software , the sample libraries, plugs and what ever other kitchen sinks we need to throw in just to do our music in todays digital world .
Is it really an Elitist attitude for a person to say ,
" Hey , I know I don't have chops on every flipping instrument I have access to in SONAR . It would sure be nice to enlist a much better player (on some of these instruments ) and give them an accurate chart in staff view to see what they can come up with " 
folks, is that asking too much ? 
 
Kenny

I get that Kenny. But it is a thin wedge kind of issue (as far I see it). Just to print out a cheat sheet and hand it to players- the Cakewalk one would look like it emanated from a dot matrix printer compared to programs like Sibelius, Finale. Steinberg has this specialized team making a new notation program and it has been years already- it is looking great but still not done.
 
Maybe I am just so anti because I live in constant minor stress that I am going to get up one day and find out that Cakewalk has gone out of business! I want to gurad against that possibility assidously, and that means an efficient business model.

backwoods

kennywtelejazz
 
 
Speaking in general terms as far as the Elitist type of attitudes go . 
This is just a casual observation and not an attack directed at any of you fine gents or ladies ….
After laying out some big pocket change for the hardware , the software , the sample libraries, plugs and what ever other kitchen sinks we need to throw in just to do our music in todays digital world .
Is it really an Elitist attitude for a person to say ,
" Hey , I know I don't have chops on every flipping instrument I have access to in SONAR . It would sure be nice to enlist a much better player (on some of these instruments ) and give them an accurate chart in staff view to see what they can come up with " 
folks, is that asking too much ? 
 
Kenny

I get that Kenny. But it is a thin wedge kind of issue (as far I see it). Just to print out a cheat sheet and hand it to players- the Cakewalk one would look like it emanated from a dot matrix printer compared to programs like Sibelius, Finale. Steinberg has this specialized team making a new notation program and it has been years already- it is looking great but still not done.
 
Maybe I am just so anti because I live in constant minor stress that I am going to get up one day and find out that Cakewalk has gone out of business! I want to gurad against that possibility assidously, and that means an efficient business model.

Stop... It's not about printing scores - it's about midi ENTRY. Something that for lots of reasons rewire doesn't allow effectively.
As for your guardianship of sonar's financial situation - we have been for the most part talking about FIXES to existing features. Cake should be more concerned about how much business they are losing from those who leave or those dissuaded by sonar' failure to keep up with the competition.

backwoods
Steinberg has this specialized team making a new notation program and it has been years already- it is looking great but still not done.

 
I've heard rumors that Steinberg has ten times the number of developers working on Cubase that Cakewalk has working on SONAR. Don't know if anyone can confirm or not...
 

Maybe I am just so anti because I live in constant minor stress that I am going to get up one day and find out that Cakewalk has gone out of business! I want to gurad against that possibility assidously, and that means an efficient business model.

 
Cakewalk doesn't want to go out of business either, which is why they make the decisions they make. I can guarantee that the quickest way for Cakewalk to go out of business has nothing to do with notation, but would be to decide to make a Mac version  (Well not quite, making an Atari version would be quicker, but you get my point.)
 
People point to the number of posts in this thread as proof of a groundswell of support, but if you look at the number of unique posters, it's a different story. For example last time I checked, 5% of all the posts were from just one person. So the impression I get is that SV is very, very, very important to some people, and I would never minimize the fact that it's important to them. Presumably Cakewalk doesn't either, because they have resumed doing staff view fixes (thread title from eight months ago notwithstanding).
 
No one can deny that the emphasis on fixing bugs is currently greater at Cakewalk than at any other time in the company's history. However, it's also clear that the priority involves fixes that affect stability and global functionalities more than particular functionalities. I think it makes sense to prioritize fixes that affect all users rather than a smaller subset of users. Ideally, of course, it would be possible to accommodate both...but "ideally" spends most of its life existing as an abstract concept 
 
The idea of people leaving one program for another happens all the time. The only reason I switched to SONAR is because the program I was using lacked functionality that only SONAR had (and SONAR still has it, and the other program still doesn't...15 years later!). Before Cakewalk became part of Gibson, at trade shows CW representatives would thank me for my support. My response was always that it had nothing to do with loyalty, and that if I found something that suited my needs better, I'd switch in a heartbeat. I have jobs to do that require a DAW, and I'm a pragmatist.

Thank You Brando ,  I couldn't have said it better .
 
Kenny

Stop... It's not about printing scores - it's about midi ENTRY. Something that for lots of reasons rewire doesn't allow effectively.



Exactly.

morganfm71

Stop... It's not about printing scores - it's about midi ENTRY. Something that for lots of reasons rewire doesn't allow effectively.

Exactly.




I disagree, printing is different from publishing. 

Printing is just a visual representation of the midi data on paper (or PDF file). Cakewalk now has printing facilities which I use to create lead sheets and they are dreadful. They should work properly, be presentable and have things like range printing (eg. measure 40 though 62). (Things may have been updated since my version)
 
Publishing is what Sibelius and Finale does and is related but fundamentally different. 

Brett

Anderton 
You may be right, but I don't recall seeing anyone say that. I have, however, seen some staff view proponents theorize that people who aren't interested in staff view feel that way, which I think applies at most to a small minority, if at all. Also speaking of small minorities, some staff view proponents come off as thinking they're more sophisticated for using it and feel those who don't aren't "real musicians." 
 

 
Of all the feature requests and bug reports made, staff notation is the only one that is actively opposed by anyone.