Personally, I like Cakewalk's staff!

Brett

Anderton 
You may be right, but I don't recall seeing anyone say that. I have, however, seen some staff view proponents theorize that people who aren't interested in staff view feel that way, which I think applies at most to a small minority, if at all. Also speaking of small minorities, some staff view proponents come off as thinking they're more sophisticated for using it and feel those who don't aren't "real musicians." 
 

 
Of all the feature requests and bug reports made, staff notation is the only one that is actively opposed by anyone. 

 
You did not include what I was responding to, so you are not addressing my point. I was responding to this, which I quoted in my post:
 

Anderton

Kev999
I get the impression that some users are taking a stance against Staff View because they apparently think it belongs to some elite set that they don't want to be associated with. Maybe it's not rock-n-roll enough.

 
You may be right, but I don't recall seeing anyone say that.

 
So are you saying people were indeed objecting to staff view because they "think it belongs to some elite set that they don't want to be associated with. Maybe it's not rock-n-roll enough"?
 
I tend to think it has more to do with people who don't consider it important in their own workflow, realize it would take resources, and would rather see those resources committed to features that matter to them. Is that assessment wrong? Can you point to any posts from people who object because they think "it belongs to some elite set that they don't want to be associated with?" I just don't associate that kind of mentality with this community, by and large.

Hello Forum ,  
 
May I ask a few Questions  ?
 
I've heard the term Resources mentioned numerous times through out a number of posts in this topic …
 
What's the bottom Line concerning the Resources to fix staff view ?….
 
Do we have them ?
Do we not have them ?
Do we want them but can't have them ?
Do we want them, and were gonna get them in due time , but we don't have the people to implement and develop the resources right now because our current resources are stretched a little thin at the moment ?  
 
Am I asking all the wrong questions ? If I am , please do tell . What are the Questions I should be asking ..
 
Kenny

Brett

mudgel
Both are onl
I don't mean to be disagreeable but written music in the form of a staff with octaves that comprise 8 full tones etc etc is no more universal than English as a spoken and written language.
 
it is only available and understood by those who learn to read and write and speak that language the same as any.
 
Asian music in its various forms bears no resemblance in sound with respect to octaves and 8 tones for each, or written the way you're considering the classical form of presenting composition.

Please give me specific examples of this. [I know one but it is still written accurately using standard notation].
This is absolute nonsense. "Asian" music, whatever that is supposed to mean, uses the same notes as Western music - just different scales to what we might be used to. 
 

Sorry its no more a reason for Cakewalks commitment to improving Sonar's notation. But if you'd read the other thread that actually focuses on what Cakewalk has done you'll find that gradually, little bit by little bit, Cakewalk are improving notation.

More nonsense.
The midi standard is based on standard Western music notation. 
Cakewalk have made no improvements to Sonar's notation in 10 years.
 

Perhaps I should have said Eastern or Middle Eastern Music. Surely you aren't suggesting that those forms of music developed along with the Western form of music notation let alone use the same breakdown of tones based on Octaves of 8 tones. Much of that music is passed on as tradition and has no written form and while any language can be translated and represented another way I was referring to the idea that Western Music and the notation that represent it is far from Universal. No more than English is natively a universal language.
 
I don't know how you can dispute the fact that Cakewalk have made improvements to notation over these last half dozen or so releases.

Anderton

Anderton

Kev999
I get the impression that some users are taking a stance against Staff View because they apparently think it belongs to some elite set that they don't want to be associated with. Maybe it's not rock-n-roll enough.

 
You may be right, but I don't recall seeing anyone say that.

 
So are you saying...

 
I guess you are right about this attitude not being noticably present in the Sonar forums. I've seen it a lot elsewhere though.

Kev999

Anderton

Anderton

Kev999
I get the impression that some users are taking a stance against Staff View because they apparently think it belongs to some elite set that they don't want to be associated with. Maybe it's not rock-n-roll enough.

 
You may be right, but I don't recall seeing anyone say that.

 
So are you saying...

 
I guess you are right about this attitude not being noticably present in the Sonar forums. I've seen it a lot elsewhere though.

Another reason to appreciate the SONAR forums 

Remind me we what we are arguing about...?
 
Actually, don't.

If you reread the OP it asks about confirmation for the "next list of update features," and posted 8 months ago.

If we're once again counting unique posters who are in support of improvements to staff view, please add me.
 
Please do not derail that request by reintroducing the idea that what is being requested is to make SONAR's notation view comparable to the output of Finale, Sibelius and the like.  That's not it at all.  It's about MIDI editing staying within SONAR.  It's not about printing.
 
Please do not engage in value judgements about those who respectfully would like improvements to staff view.
 
Thank you all.
 

I don't give a flying $hit about playing a half a$$ed forum game of telephone …
you know , the game where you say one thing and people twist the truth …
 
 
Opening post 
 

Sidroe
At the risk of sounding like I wanna pee on the parade, HAS THERE BEEN ANY FIXES IN THE NEW SONAR VERSIONS FOR THE NOTATION FEATURE????????? Some of us have been beating this poor horse to death about the notation being trash! Can you at least say it is on the next list of upgrade features or is it just DEAD! It is still very crippled and needs some serious attention.

 
Cakewalk response page 1 
 

Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
We frequently (annuallyish) investigate Staff View improvements, or even an overhaul. It's not "dead" nor "abandoned." It has just been "deferred" due to other priorities that impact a larger group of customers. Don't lose hope. We understand there is room for improvement and intend to tackle it eventually. Our new release model will allow us to budget time and resources more easily, so it's more realistic now than it has been in years. Thanks for being patient.

secondary Cakewalk response page 1 ….8 months ago 
 

Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
In the spirit of being totally honest, though... I will admit that there are no current developments to the Staff View in progress.

add 28 more pages to where we are at now in this thread and we get One Big Effing Shine On Job 
 
not that it hasn't been entertaining 
 
Kenny