Have you submitted a Problem Report Jerry?

Jimbo 88

Base 57
Analytics will prove that I don't use the Staff View.
 Which is why many folks are worried about analytics. I would LOVE for Staff View to be improved. If I could print out lead sheets or horn parts, piano parts that look like proper sheet music, that would be great. As it is today too much effort is required. It is easier to chart things by hand.

But there will always be notes!  Music and technology will change, but there will always be notation....
 
Exhibit A:  One of the most quoted and borrowed from piece of music in film and pop!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3izbPKZCc84
 
This piece is about 100 years old.  It survives, despite all the changes in Technology because of the NOTES and notation. In another 100 years it will still be performed and stolen from and quoted. If Sonar wants to survive the next wave of tech changes it needs to grab the common thread first.  Notation.
 

 
To be fair, I just downloaded the whole suite as a MIDI file 

MattyBoy
I have tried to use the Lyrics view, and that is a total exercise in frustration. It's buggy beyond belief, with very unpredictable results, and the Undo function will often either do nothing or end up inserting new events into the event list  - totally bizarre - which you then can't undo. Someone at cakewalk should actually try using the lyric view - the shame of having something so buggy in a released product would surely spur some action!
 

That (known) bug destroyed an assignment I was working on for my music course and I had to redo it. I reported it to Cakewalk support with screen shots showing exactly how it happened and I got a lame reply saying that we are aware there are a handful of known issues we wish to address. That was November 2010.

What was most upsetting is there is a simple work around that was not mentioned, and I have never seen documented anywhere.

That bug happens when lyrics move across clips. The trick is to keep your track as one clip,  continually use the option bounce to clip. (I don't think you can turn clips off permanently). Turn on clip view to be sure you haven't got multiple clips.

I'd also add that lyrics never supported unicode characters, all modern software should - I don't know if it does now. I'd like to enter Japanese characters.
 

Base 57
Analytics will prove that I don't use the Staff View.
Which is why many folks are worried about analytics. 

Consider the alternative: If no one uses the staff view, from analytics alone Cakewalk could just as easily conclude that no one uses it because it doesn't serve peoples' needs. Remember that analytics is only part of how Cakewalk uncovers user preferences. There are also the regular user surveys, this forum, feature requests, and work is nearing completion on the feedback portal. Combining all of these presents a much more complete picture
 
Cakewalk understands "you can't prove a negative." Analytics excel for things that everyone uses, like which plug-ins are most popular, the most-used resolutions and sampling rates, which interfaces are most common, etc. Getting this kind of information from user surveys or the forum would be incredibly time-consuming and probably inaccurate.
 

sharke

Jimbo 88

Base 57
Analytics will prove that I don't use the Staff View.
 Which is why many folks are worried about analytics. I would LOVE for Staff View to be improved. If I could print out lead sheets or horn parts, piano parts that look like proper sheet music, that would be great. As it is today too much effort is required. It is easier to chart things by hand.

But there will always be notes!  Music and technology will change, but there will always be notation....
 
Exhibit A:  One of the most quoted and borrowed from piece of music in film and pop!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3izbPKZCc84
 
This piece is about 100 years old.  It survives, despite all the changes in Technology because of the NOTES and notation. In another 100 years it will still be performed and stolen from and quoted. If Sonar wants to survive the next wave of tech changes it needs to grab the common thread first.  Notation.
 

 
To be fair, I just downloaded the whole suite as a MIDI file 

Yep, and i made a midi file to create the version in the Youtube video in the link.  But I'm gonna say with some real certainty that someday midi will be outdated and gone.  And what replaces midi will go back to the music and the notation to create an even more realistic version....So thanks for helping me making my point!  Notation will be the common thread.

Nice job Jim!

Bristol_Jonesey
Have you submitted a Problem Report Jerry?

Of course, I always do...

Anderton

Base 57
Analytics will prove that I don't use the Staff View.
Which is why many folks are worried about analytics. 

Consider the alternative: If no one uses the staff view, from analytics alone Cakewalk could just as easily conclude that no one uses it because it doesn't serve peoples' needs. Remember that analytics is only part of how Cakewalk uncovers user preferences. There are also the regular user surveys, this forum, feature requests, and work is nearing completion on the feedback portal. Combining all of these presents a much more complete picture.
 

I have complete confidence that this is true. The problem is user surveys (I never get these, or e-mail), this forum, feature requests and the upcoming feedback portal will all demonstrate that the analytics are correct.
 
I'm not trying to be negative here. I've been a very happy Twelve Tone / Cake customer for over twenty years. Staff View has always been IMO the weakest part of the program.  However, I used Sibelius for a couple of years and while it made for a prettier page it was a tedious creativity sapping pita to work with. So for my limited score printing needs I have returned to pencil and paper.
 
I am sure the problem with SV is technical beyond my comprehension. When we read a score, musicians see much more than the lines and dots. Just as when people look at a pointillist image, people see art, a computer only sees a bunch of dots.
 
The PRV can be very expressive from a sonic standpoint but is impossible for most musicians to read for performance purposes. Switch to SV and that expressive part is difficult to read at best. Quantize, Fill durations etc. whatever needs to be done to make it look correct in SV, it no longer sounds correct when played through a synth. [Work-around, clone the track. Assign the output of cloned track to unused midi out. Edit the clone. Simple.]
 
It has been a long time since I have used other DAWs or notation apps, but I am sure they all have their flaws regarding notation. As I wrote yesterday I would LOVE to have an improved SV. I plan to become a lifetime member so perhaps one day I will.

Base 57

Anderton

Base 57
Analytics will prove that I don't use the Staff View.
Which is why many folks are worried about analytics. 

Consider the alternative: If no one uses the staff view, from analytics alone Cakewalk could just as easily conclude that no one uses it because it doesn't serve peoples' needs. Remember that analytics is only part of how Cakewalk uncovers user preferences. There are also the regular user surveys, this forum, feature requests, and work is nearing completion on the feedback portal. Combining all of these presents a much more complete picture.
 

I have complete confidence that this is true. The problem is user surveys (I never get these, or e-mail), this forum, feature requests and the upcoming feedback portal will all demonstrate that the analytics are correct.
 
I'm not trying to be negative here. I've been a very happy Twelve Tone / Cake customer for over twenty years. Staff View has always been IMO the weakest part of the program.  However, I used Sibelius for a couple of years and while it made for a prettier page it was a tedious creativity sapping pita to work with. So for my limited score printing needs I have returned to pencil and paper.
 
I am sure the problem with SV is technical beyond my comprehension. When we read a score, musicians see much more than the lines and dots. Just as when people look at a pointillist image, people see art, a computer only sees a bunch of dots.
 
The PRV can be very expressive from a sonic standpoint but is impossible for most musicians to read for performance purposes. Switch to SV and that expressive part is difficult to read at best. Quantize, Fill durations etc. whatever needs to be done to make it look correct in SV, it no longer sounds correct when played through a synth. [Work-around, clone the track. Assign the output of cloned track to unused midi out. Edit the clone. Simple.]
 
It has been a long time since I have used other DAWs or notation apps, but I am sure they all have their flaws regarding notation. As I wrote yesterday I would LOVE to have an improved SV. I plan to become a lifetime member so perhaps one day I will.

One of the things that makes a DAW useful and efficient (and therefore enjoyable IMO) is how seamless it works.  A bolt-on Notation editor is not the same as one that is well integrated with operations like the PRV and track view.   Same goes for the Wave editor for audio.  I hope that the Sonar Lifetime approach doesn't create an "operating system" like environment where the user is constantly opening and closing add-ons and having to save to different places.  This model may suit the programmers, marketing and sales staff but does not suit the user. 
 
I sincerely wish you the best with your Sonar Lifetime Membership. 
Cheers
 

Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
In the spirit of being totally honest, though... I will admit that there are no current developments to the Staff View in progress.

This is sad, very sad.