Afrodrum

Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
In the spirit of being totally honest, though... I will admit that there are no current developments to the Staff View in progress.

This is sad, very sad.

Which is why I am now using Reaper. I know that their brand new notation feature will constantly be improved. 

Afrodrum

Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
In the spirit of being totally honest, though... I will admit that there are no current developments to the Staff View in progress.

This is sad, very sad.

You're quoting something from January 16, 2015. You may also want to quote Bill's earlier post from the same day to get a better insight into why this thread is still alive. The status Bill referred to at the time may or may not still describe the current situation. Depends if you're a glass is half empty (or half full) user.

michael diemer

Afrodrum

Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
In the spirit of being totally honest, though... I will admit that there are no current developments to the Staff View in progress.

This is sad, very sad.

Which is why I am now using Reaper. I know that their brand new notation feature will constantly be improved. 

ya that quote is over a year and a half old .
 
i never fully understood the logic behind staff view users who are unhappy.
if they stopped doing upgrades to the PRV, i wouldn't use sonar anymore.
i would use a software made with my preferences. but i have to also be honest, i don't use the staff view...at all.
so i cant really talk from experience of what its like, the features, what works, what doesn't work.
all i know is that if im not happy and i can not do what i need to do. i do it with something else.
good luck staff view users (being totally honest / not in a sarcastic way)
 

I haven't done any experiments generating MUSIC XML from SONAR to take that into a dedicated notation program.  Without reading the other 900+ comments in this thread (I did read the beginning), did anyone report experience doing this?  How did it work?  The times I have worked with Music XML in other programs, the results were buggy, and that's assuming it didn't crash the receiving program.  I would still rather stay in SONAR because I use staff view to edit as well as compose.
 
I would absolutely pay for an add-on to improve staff view in SONAR.  Those of us who need this function to work well, really need it.  I think it is established that there are quite a few of us using notation, but I concur that the rest do not need to pay for it to improve.

If the millenials don't want or need staff view then maybe we(e) baby boomers and gen x er's are barking up the wrong tree.  I'd love it of course, but maybe it's simply not cost effective.  I just read how Roger Linn is on a mission to *save the note*.   Is that really what it comes down to? :D:D

michael diemer

Afrodrum

Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
In the spirit of being totally honest, though... I will admit that there are no current developments to the Staff View in progress.

This is sad, very sad.

Which is why I am now using Reaper. I know that their brand new notation feature will constantly be improved. 

If you are not aware, Steinberg has been developing an all new notation program to compete directly with Sibelius and Finale.  The development is led by Daniel Spreadbury, formerly of Sibelius, and Steinberg hired most of the Sibelius staff when they were made redundant with the Avid takeover of Sibelius.
 
This is a fresh approach to the entire challenge of notational composition.  However, if particular mote is the recent disclosure that the first version of the new product (called Dorico) will include substantial parts of Cubase embedded into and tightly integrated with the notation functions.  It will be possible, for example, to do the composition in notation (notes rests, etc) and then fine tune the playback by adjusting the resulting MIDI -- all from within the single platform.
 
If it is important to have good notation alongside a good DAW capability, this could to be the best solution available for awhile.  V1 ships by the end of the year and will be lacking some features, such as support for chords.

eph221
If the millenials don't want or need staff view then maybe we(e) baby boomers and gen x er's are barking up the wrong tree.  I'd love it of course, but maybe it's simply not cost effective.  I just read how Roger Linn is on a mission to *save the note*.   Is that really what it comes down to? :D:D

I don't think so.  I think it is simply a case that some folks today find that notation doesn't serve a purpose in their work flow and they are able to accomplish their goals simply composing at the DAW/MIDI level.  To suggest this is the general case, however, would be preposterous.  Many times when one needs to involve professional musicians, notation is essential, and that isn't changing at all.  One wouldn't for example, bring in a horn section and show them a MIDI piano roll and say "Here, play this."
 
By not embracing a decent notation solution, SONAR puts itself in a niche category.  That is not necessarily a bad business decision, as there are lots of uses for a DAW that don't involve notation.

cparmerlee

michael diemer

Afrodrum

Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
In the spirit of being totally honest, though... I will admit that there are no current developments to the Staff View in progress.

This is sad, very sad.

Which is why I am now using Reaper. I know that their brand new notation feature will constantly be improved. 

If you are not aware, Steinberg has been developing an all new notation program to compete directly with Sibelius and Finale.  The development is led by Daniel Spreadbury, formerly of Sibelius, and Steinberg hired most of the Sibelius staff when they were made redundant with the Avid takeover of Sibelius.
 
This is a fresh approach to the entire challenge of notational composition.  However, if particular mote is the recent disclosure that the first version of the new product (called Dorico) will include substantial parts of Cubase embedded into and tightly integrated with the notation functions.  It will be possible, for example, to do the composition in notation (notes rests, etc) and then fine tune the playback by adjusting the resulting MIDI -- all from within the single platform.
 
If it is important to have good notation alongside a good DAW capability, this could to be the best solution available for awhile.  V1 ships by the end of the year and will be lacking some features, such as support for chords.

It is already possible to do this in Sonar and Reaper. I do most of my work in staff/notation view, and then try to make it sound good by using Sonar/Reaper's DAW feature.
 
If I can get Reaper for 60.00, and Dorico costs 5 or 6 times as much...I bought Reaper.

quote: "If the millenials don't want or need staff view then maybe we(e) baby boomers and gen x er's are barking up the wrong tree.  I'd love it of course, but maybe it's simply not cost effective.  I just read how Roger Linn is on a mission to *save the note*.   Is that really what it comes down to? :D:D"
 
It's millennials, and the staff view is not a generational thing.  If it were merely a generational preference, how do you explain that notation has been in use for over 1000 years? 
 
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jsg
quote: "If the millenials don't want or need staff view then maybe we(e) baby boomers and gen x er's are barking up the wrong tree.  I'd love it of course, but maybe it's simply not cost effective.  I just read how Roger Linn is on a mission to *save the note*.   Is that really what it comes down to? :D:D"
 
It's millennials, and the staff view is not a generational thing.  If it were merely a generational preference, how do you explain that notation has been in use for over 1000 years? 
 
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www.jerrygerber.com/symph9mvt4.htm

 
 or that it is now in Reaper, I wouldn't be surprised other DAWs are considering adding notation.