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2014/10/22 11:07:43
Sacalait
Here's a question for the computer guys in this forum.  I'm a producer/guitarist and not a computer guy.  I've been recording lately at 96/32 in Sonar.  My hardware doing the analog to digital conversion is either a Mytek 96 A/D, RME MultiFaceII, or Roland VS700.  All of these support 96/24.  I'm recording 32 bit in Sonar for the sake of not being concerned about transients peaking at 0.  Anyone see any issues with this?  It's sounding good but I just thought I'd ask.
2014/10/22 11:25:41
gswitz
24 bit is appropriate. 32 only on internal bounces.
2014/10/22 11:28:43
dantarbill
Typically, all the better any converter can do is 24 bits...so you can't record at a resolution better than that.  Internally, SONAR will handle everything as 64 bit floating point (if you have "64-bit Double Precision Engine" enabled), so headroom isn't an issue.  So...saving individual tracks as 32 bit doesn't really buy you anything.  It just costs you disk space.
2014/10/22 11:32:49
orangesporanges
the only thing you may want to think about is not so much the bit depth, but the sample rate. the nomenclature works like this BTW: 24(bit)/ 96(khz). If your soundcard is only capable of doing 24 bit, that's all you are getting. 32 bit values beyond the 24 are not filled (or I think more accurately, filled with 0 values). Now, on to the real deal. If you plan on distributing your stuff (even just burning disks on your computer) you have to adhere to the format that you are using 24/96 is DVD, 16/44.1 is CD. (there are a couple of other configurations, but they are less common)
The sampling rate , if not handled correctly (and I don't think Sonar is capable of converting it)
will yield in errors if you try to burn a CD at 24/ 96khz. You can put 24/96khz on a DVD, but you'll have to listen to it on a DVD player.
Now here's the kicker. You can record at any bit depth you want (24/32/16, whatever) and dither it to 16 bit for CD distribution. It's just the sampling rate that is the sticker here. I think you will find a lot, if not almost all folks around here use 24/44.1 just to avoid the sampling rate conversion.
I know this is an oversimplistic view of how "it works" but I hope this gets you pointed in the right direction.
2014/10/22 11:41:10
Anderton
Also remember that no 24-bit converter delivers a true 24 bits. Converter technology is just not that great.
2014/10/22 12:06:02
Sacalait
so I gain nothing- really- by having Sonar set to 32 bit in the File Bit Depths preference?  Okay, but have I been LOSING anything, in anyone's opinion?  I just converted a song I'd recorded in Sonar at 32 bit to 24 and I may be imagining but it seems slightly better!  Am I tripping?  Ha!  I'm most appreciative of any responses!
2014/10/22 12:19:03
stickman393
You are losing disk space. You are also tripping.
2014/10/22 12:21:46
Anderton
What matters is the 64-bit audio engine for doing calculations. 32 bit file depth simply allows you to reproduce irrelevant data with more precision 
2014/10/22 12:42:00
Sacalait
...think you're right that I'm tripping...  ha!  I appreciate the insight from everyone!
2014/10/22 15:26:06
John
Anderton
What matters is the 64-bit audio engine for doing calculations. 32 bit file depth simply allows you to reproduce irrelevant data with more precision 


This is the very best way of putting it. I have to steal this when this subject comes up again.
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