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  • How to Create Fade at End of Project?
2014/10/10 09:21:15
mrneil2
I’m new to this so bear with me:
 
I have a project with 21 tracks.  I want the project to fade out at the end and I have been unable to figure out how to do this.  I have searched the forum; looked at tutorials and read my Sonar X2 Power Book (didn’t get the X3 one.)  I am using Sonar X3e Producer with a Roland Octa-capture.  Computer specs in signature.
 
I have tried to add a stereo bus (read about that in the forum) with all the tracks sending to it.  I then tried write automation to fade out the project but when I export there is no fade.  I have tried various options such as “what you hear” and can’t get the result I’m looking for.
 
I notice that even when the new stereo bus fades all the way to the bottom (-39) the Mix Bus that says OctaCapture 1-2 still plays at normal volume. You can’t automate the Mix Bus right?
 
I guess I could do a fade on each and every track but that seems real labor intensive and I’m not sure I have the skillset to line them all up correctly.
 
I would really like to do all this in Sonar and not spend the money on something like Sony Architect 5 or Sound Forge. 
 
I’m sure I’m just missing an option somewhere.  Please stay on topic with the replies.
 
Thanks,
2014/10/10 09:33:50
mettelus
First select the mix tracks and bounce to a new track. Then in the track view on that track, hover the smart tool in the upper right of the end of the track (will look like a triangle). Left click and drag left to create the fade out. You can then either export that final mix track or drag/drop it to the desktop.

You can fade each track this way, but if you want the final mix to fade out evenly I would suggest the bounce to a final mix first.
2014/10/10 09:35:05
scook
mrneil2
I have tried to add a stereo bus (read about that in the forum) with all the tracks sending to it.

How are you doing this? By adding a send to each track to the new bus or changing the output of each track to the new bus?
 
SONAR comes with a normal template (the default for new projects) which already has a master bus defined for the project. By default all audio and instrument tracks added to a project using this template is automatically routed to the master bus.
2014/10/10 10:19:56
mrneil2
scook
mrneil2
I have tried to add a stereo bus (read about that in the forum) with all the tracks sending to it.

How are you doing this? By adding a send to each track to the new bus or changing the output of each track to the new bus?
 
SONAR comes with a normal template (the default for new projects) which already has a master bus defined for the project. By default all audio and instrument tracks added to a project using this template is automatically routed to the master bus.




 
I have never used the "Normal" template. I use "Blank" and then add audio/midi tracks as i need them.  I did "Insert new stereo bus" and then hit the "+" sign next to Send. 
 
What am I missing? I did not change the output of each track to the new bus, they must still be pointing to the octacapture.   Could that be my problem?  At work now no way to check. 
 
 
Mettelus  does the new track then become track number 22?  Do I then have to mute the others and edit only that track?
2014/10/10 10:25:24
Anderton
Buses can have volume automation. So if all your tracks feed a master bus, you can just add a volume automation envelope, and fade it any way you want. All your tracks will fade simultaneously if they're all feeding that single master bus.
2014/10/10 10:31:02
dwardzala
Instead of using sends to route your tracks to your master bus, change the output to the master bus.  Then you can add automation to the master bus to fade out as Craig noted above.
2014/10/10 10:38:25
scook
If you used the normal template, what you want would be already setup. The problem with the method you choose is the tracks are going directly to the audio interface and being sent to a bus at the same time. You should be using a master bus in the project. To fix the project:
  1. Use CTRL-A to select all tracks
  2. Holding the CTRL key, click the send drop down in one track and "Delete Send"
  3. Holding the CTRL key, click the output drop down in one track and select the name of the bus you created as a send
  4. Right-click the bus header and select "Set as Default Bus" (optional - this causes any new audio/instrument tracks to automatically route their output to this bus)
  5. Relabel the bus "Master" (optional)
 
You may want to use the normal template in the future.
 
Using the master is one way to create a fade. It does lack the control of fading each track individually. Regardless of the method chosen for creating a fade, using a master bus before sending audio out of SONAR is a good idea.
 
 
2014/10/10 10:43:19
Anderton
scook
Using the master is one way to create a fade. It does lack the control of fading each track individually.



However you can tweak a track's fade (bring up a bit to emphasize, fade out faster) while the master fade is happening. This is good for bringing attention to "ear candy" on the way out of the song.
2014/10/10 10:46:01
scook
Yeah, I guess it should not have been posed as a choice.
2014/10/10 10:50:05
Anderton
scook
Yeah, I guess it should not have been posed as a choice.



You're not old enough to know how often this technique was used in the 60s 
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