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2014/10/07 10:46:20
Dan_E10
Is it possible in Sonar X2's step sequencer view to skip steps?  I'm not looking to just turn a note on/off, but have it actually skip to the next step, kind of like you can do with some of the analog step sequencers that have a switch for each step to be on, normal, or skip.  From what I can see, this is not possible as the beats and steps per beat settings fix the length of the sequence but hopefully I'm just missing something.
Dan
2014/10/07 16:16:35
KyRo
Do you mean like creating a one-off odd time signature in a beat? I don't have Sonar in front of me right now, but if I understand what you mean correctly, I believe you can achieve what you're after by creating a new SS clip for just the particular beat in question, then adjust the number of steps to fit your needs (i.e. subtract a step for a "skipped step"). After that, resume your normal pattern with another SS clip right after the one you just created, and the result should be seamless. A little tedious if you have to do it often, but it gets the job done.
 
Is this what you were trying to achieve, Dan?
2014/10/07 17:27:35
Dan_E10
Hi,
Thanks for the response.  It touches on what I'm trying to achieve but not exactly.  I'm wondering if it can be done in the step sequencer itself without patching together different clips.  For example, if one had a 4 step pattern playing away, and then make it skip the second or third step resulting in a 3 step sequence.  From what I can see, one would need to reduce the number of beats from 4 to 3 and then change the pitches of the steps to simulate skipping a step in the middle of the sequence.
Dan
2014/10/07 20:59:06
KyRo
Dan,
 
Is there a similar example on YouTube or elsewhere that you can share, to give a better idea of just what you're going for? I follow you all the way up until you refer to changing pitches.
 
But generally speaking, it seems to me that patching together multiple clips may be the only way (using the step sequencer at least, as it's a pretty uniform tool within each clip). Either that, or you might be able to do it with just one big single-beat (as in SS beat) clip that contains the total number of steps (musical beats) in the whole measure (e.g. 15), then construct the whole measure, including the skipped step part. That will give you one full clip, complete with the skip, that you can duplicate and repeat over and over, if that's what you need. You may or may not need to play around with your tempo setting using this method though, to get it to play at the desired speed.
 
Let me know if we're making any progress toward your goal.
2014/10/07 23:21:53
Anderton
I don't think you can skip a step in the way you describe. The step sequencer is designed specifically to step through notes sequentially and although you can use it in real time, it's not really intended for an improvisational scenario where you can arbitrarily skip steps as you describe. 
2014/10/08 08:41:56
js516
You can't skip beat in the step sequencer, but you can split the step sequenced clip into the cells in a column in the matrix view and trigger them appropriately with a seperate midi track.
2014/10/08 13:04:01
Dan_E10
Hi all,
Thanks for the replies.
 
Lawp: Yes, I had seen the clockwork sequencer and that is what I'm thinking of.  I didn't try it since they didn't have a demo and I was a little worried about how well Sonar would handle a VST that outputs midi as opposed to audio.  Doesn't Sonar have some issues with that?
 
Craig: Right, that was my intended use as a real time generator of midi data rather than to generate clips that are then pieced together.  I've been looking at using the Matrix view to do this.  I'd still have to create multiple clips ahead of time, but at least I could switch between different patterns and pattern lengths on the fly and do it mid clip if desired.
 
dimelives1: I don't think I've seen any youtube videos that illustrate this well, but some of the Berlin(ish) music by Redshift and Node has sequenced lines that sound like they use the technique I'm thinking of.
thanks,
Dan
2014/10/08 13:10:16
scook
Dan_E10
I was a little worried about how well Sonar would handle a VST that outputs midi as opposed to audio.  Doesn't Sonar have some issues with that?
 

Lots of work done in this area with X3. It was a problem prior to X3.
2014/10/08 14:03:10
lawp
clockwork demo http://music.service-1.de/clockworkdemo.zip lower down on the product page
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