Yes, thanks, I read that and that's why I'm heading in that direction, It's just as you know in 8.5 all we did was click the track and were good to go. It's just a lot more work now to regain that same view. Not complaining it's just old habits die slowly round these parts.
Idiots like me just keep working and don't often take the time to learn the new features right away. It's only been since February so all in good time I'm getting there.
And I even bought Scott's book!