• SONAR
  • Change project tempo [now with with step-by-step instructions]
2014/10/03 21:04:02
jih64
Hi, What I want to do is change the tempo of a song which contains midi and audio from 83 bpm to 90 bpm, now with Reaper all I would have to do is change the tempo from 83 to 90 in the transport and that's it, everything is same pitch everything just perfect and playing at 90 bpm. 
 When I try this with Sonar X3 Producer, not so, so I search for answers and all I have found so far is a lot of convoluted paths to achieve the simple result. Is there a away of doing this in Sonar as in Reaper which involves nothing more than click type in 90 and press enter ?
 
Thank you
2014/10/03 21:04:57
scook
no
2014/10/03 21:11:27
jih64
oh
 
Why not ? surely it would be more desirable than the methods I have seen seem, never mind, somewhat rhetorical.
 
anyway, thank you for your quick and decisive response
 
 
2014/10/03 21:43:59
jih64
What would be the easiest way to achieve this ?
 
I have owned Cakewalk products since the Pro Audio 8/9 days, but never really used them much, just kept up with the upgrades in case, I do love Dim Pro, Rapture and Z3ta 2 etc which I have as part of Sonar and also individually purchased. Every now and then I take Sonar for a spin, but always find myself going back, now days, and for a long time to Reaper, because of things such as this, which are so easily achieved, but for some reason seem unnecessarily complicated in Sonar.
Another that bugged me was the need to bounce the drum track down to audio, with reaper I would just play my Alesis DM10 Pro kit through BFD or AD, tighten up any loose bits in the midi track, mix, apply effects as required and that's it, no need for extra steps, but with Sonar if I do that and export the final product, there is no drums, A small thing, having to bounce the track, but it all adds up, but I decided well, that's just the way it is and kept on going, still hanging in there, but I do prefer the easier route especially when there is no downside to it.
 
Thanks again
2014/10/03 21:56:22
sock monkey
Sonar exports all that you are hearing including soft synths.
I have never had to bounce a midi track to audio. 
You have your export somehow set up wrong. 
I use SELECT NONE before exporting. This seems to always work , where as SELECT ALL should work, but often did not for me. 
Try muting your master buss and see if all your tracks are routed there.Then check all the correct boxes are selected in the export dialog , I just use what ever the default was, Only thing I change is to 16 Bit for CD burning. 
2014/10/03 22:49:30
jih64
Thanks, I found even in the official Cakewalk help stuff it says that you would have to bounce some soft synths, that's how I found out I had to do it. Do you use BFD ? in your stuff
 
EDIT - I do recall some option that said "What you hear" but I think I used one that was what I had selected or something, but even though I did read in the help file or online help or something the need to bounce some soft synths, the way I did it it did export all other soft synyhs, but not BFD. But anyway my main issue is the ability to change the tempo of the entire song, midi and audio easily as in Reaper with just a click, 90 and enter, I have tried some of the convoluted methods I have found, but I'm not going through that, especially as a couple of the methods I tried didn't achieve the goal, Perhaps user error or my missing something, but when your used to just changing the tempo and it's all done, it makes this seem rather tedious and unnecessary.
2014/10/03 22:55:28
scook
Are you confusing fast bounce/freeze/export with real time bounce/freeze/export? I know BFD2 did not like rendering in fast mode.
2014/10/03 23:05:05
jih64
No, I'm using BFD2 and/or BFD 3 (Read EDIT above) but that was just a minor issue, I can live with that
 
Thanks
2014/10/04 02:59:47
FastBikerBoy
No one click to change tempo unfortunately.
 
To do that in Sonar
 
  1. Change project tempo as required.
  2. Select all (Ctrl + A)
  3. On one of the audio tracks hold down ctrl key and change edit filter to "Audio Transients"
  4. Press "A" (to open Audiosnap panel if it isn't already) 
In Audiosnap panel...
  1. Make sure that "Average Tempo" is set to original tempo.
  2. Click on "Clip follows project tempo"
  3. Close audio snap
 
Hope that helps.
2014/10/04 03:29:46
Anderton
I answered a similar question recently and told how to do it relatively easily with the fit time function, no AudioSnap required. I'll have to look it up. I don't remember it offhand because I don't need this function...I usually know what tempo I want but if I later decide to alter the tempo, I do it to the stereo mix using either the iZotope stretch algorithm if I want to preserve pitch, or Sonar's "varispeed" function for tape-style speed+pitch changes.
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