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  • Name the instrument: "Baby Come Back" by Player (p.2)
2014/09/27 19:41:18
Anderton
scook
An interesting article about Leslie cabinets mentioning "Baby Come Back" as an example of playing guitar through a Leslie http://www.theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/mystery/mystery.html 




Interesting. I've recorded guitar through a Leslie more than once, and it didn't sound like that...
2014/09/27 20:57:55
Anderton
Here's the closest I could come with the Sonitus Modulator, without obsessing.
 

 
It still sounds a lot more like a phaser with feedback than a Leslie, although I suppose they could have fed some of the signal back at the console.
2014/09/27 21:11:10
Guitarpima
g_randybrown
I've always thought of Player as being a tight band but that may be the worst lip syncing I've ever seen (unless the drummer has a ride cymbal that sounds exactly like a closed HH ...and crashes that don't move when you hit them).
BTW, it sounds more like "Dew...dewdewdewdew dew dewdew..." to me 




I think your mistaken. He plays the ride quite a bit though this song. I listened several times only because the difference was so subtle it was hard to hear right away. The ring of the ride is so damped I can see why you would say that though.
2014/09/27 21:11:52
Anderton
FWIW, I tried getting this sound with Guitar Rig's Rotator and also with their Phaser 9. No question the phaser nailed the sound much, much closer than the rotating speaker emulator, which didn't come close. Leslies just didn't have that kind of resonance.
 
If you want to hear guitar through Leslie, listen to Cream's "Badge" starting at about 1:09: 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeGyQIgvSV0
 
It's the slower Leslie speed, but you can hear it has a completely different character. This is the guitar sound I recall getting on Mandrake's "Puzzle" album.
 
2014/09/27 21:20:02
scook
Yeah, I would have guessed phase shifter too, had I not found the article which I linked above. Of course, it does not go into any detail about the recording.
2014/09/27 21:50:41
Anderton
scook
Yeah, I would have guessed phase shifter too, had I not found the article which I linked above. Of course, it does not go into any detail about the recording.



If it is a Leslie, it's the only guitar-through-Leslie-at-the-higher-speed I've heard with that timbre. I think the bottom line is that if someone wants to reproduce that sound, they'll come a lot closer with a phase shifter than with a Leslie. Player may have been using one of the many Leslie simulators, like the Rotovibe, and that detail didn't make it into the article.
 
Listen to the opening to the J Geils' band "The Usual Place"...that's what a guitar through a Leslie at high speed sounds like. It has much more in common with tremolo than a phase shifter.
 
Oh, and to keep the lawyers at bay...Leslie is trademarked by Hammond Suzuki, USA Inc.
2014/09/28 02:47:26
Kev999
scook
An interesting article about Leslie cabinets mentioning "Baby Come Back" as an example of playing guitar through a Leslie http://www.theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/mystery/mystery.html



Just because it's stated in a published article doesn't necessarily mean it's correct. The same article also claims that Alan Price used a Hammond Organ on "House of the Rising Sun", contradicting other sources that say he used a Vox Continental.
2014/09/28 07:58:54
Sidroe
There's a couple of Peter Frampton songs on his live album from back in the day. When he switches to fast speeds you can tell it is not the same timbre as an electronic effect such as a phaser or flanger. I think "Do You Feel Like I Do" that has the best example of guitar thru leslie at fast speed. 
2014/09/28 09:43:12
b rock
I'll play.  Maestro PS-1A Phase Shifter - 6 stage design by Tom Oberheim.  Set to Fast Phase.
 

 
 
2014/09/28 10:19:15
The Maillard Reaction
390 rpm at 4/4 is 97.5 bpm.
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