• SONAR
  • Sonar and Roland JV1080 (p.2)
2006/08/14 00:06:53
R!Soc
What you need is the first Performance, that appears when you turn the unit on, set up as a template for you to use in Sonar.

While pressing and holding the "Perform" button, press the "Patch" Button (to the right of the value wheel). This will show you each of the different patches in the performance. You can now use the left and right arrow keys to navigate through each patch.

While in Perform / Patch mode, hit the system key. Ensure that your "Control Channel" parameter for this patch is set to "OFF". If this is set to a channel, the 1080 will interpret patch change messages from Sonar as intended for the "Performance". You don't want this. You want the patch change messages for the individual patches only.

Now you need to make sure that each part of the performance is assigned to a separate midi channel.

- Select part 1 of your performance (Performance only mode, not performance / patch mode)
- Press the Parameter button (bottom left)
- Now press the Part Switch #3 button (Also used for Performance Midi as denoted by the blue MIDI under it)
- Be sure Channel is set to 1 and RX is ON
- Press the Perform button again to get back to the main performance menu, change to the next part.
- Lather, rinse, repeat for all 16 parts / channels.

Now save the performance.

You can use this performance in Sonar now to use all 16 channels. Just hit Perform / Patch combination and it should work.

Give it a try and let us know if you need any furthur help.
2006/08/14 04:29:37
harmony gardens
R!Soc,,, thanks so much for posting this!! That helped me a lot!

I made a Peformance called Sonar Set Up, and put it in the first Patch spot as you suggested. Everything is working fine now. Taking this a step further, and since I now have the benefit of Track Templets in Sonar 5, I've created my first ensemble set up.

To do this, I set up a stereo audio track routed to the input of my soundcard that I use for the XP input and a MIDI track from the Synth Rack. I then cloned 3 tracks of that MIDI track, because I wanted 4 voices in ensemble. I needed to change the MIDI channel of the three cloned tracks to subsequently be channel 2,3, and 4. Now I selected the voice I wanted on midi track one in the first track, and repeated that for each of the next three tracks. I then saved this as a Track Templet in Sonar, and created a folder for XP Ensembles to store it in. Woo Hoo,,, I now have a track templet for my first XP ensemble. Doing this is the equivalent of creating a Performance, in the XP, but it's all stored in a Sonar track instead. This is the way I've wanted it to work all along!!

This is the equivalent of a Combination in Sampletank.

In the "olden days" I used to set up performaces in my multi timbral synths, and save them. Then I set a performance patch change command at the beginning of a track to select the performance for the project, but you needed to assign the voices in the synth, instead of the instrument definition lists in the sequencer. I see that if I set up something and I want to save it in the synth as a performance, I can, by making edits to this basic set up and saving it to a different performance location. This gives us the best of both worlds, while keeping the patch selection conveniently in Sonar.

Thanks again for the help, you guys!

And thanks Brett, for tolerating me jumping on your thread.
2006/08/14 10:13:42
Brett
I've got it working. I've had this thing for over a year, maybe two and never really used it. With the lack of multi-timbre there was no point. Now it's working just in time for my World expansion card to go in with the Vintage Syth card.

There seems to be two slightly difference approaches, have a track set to a performance (inmazevo) with performance channel set to 1. Or create a performance with all patches set to the corresponding midi channels (R!Soc) and no performance channel. I got the latter approach to work.

The ins files that come with Cakewalk are better than the ones mentioned by Cakewalknet as they contain bank select for the expansion cards, but don't include the performances.

Well thanks to everyone who replied, it's been helpful to more than just me. I was very frustrated, my friend at work had no problem, just like timidi, he said just put it in performance mode (he uses Logic). I did a factory reset but it still didn't work. Now if only my EMU Vintage Keys could be controlled properly.

Next question, does any one know some free editing software? There's a google group so I'll check there.

Brett
2006/08/14 11:07:01
Ludvig
Hi guys!

Please don't just use your Roland synths in GM-mode. There is sooo much more in there.

Also note that most Roland synths have a Performance Control Channel that when sent a Program Change message can change the whole Performance. Default is channel 16 I believe. This can also be turned off if you want to be able to control all 16 channels from your host.

Best Regards
Ludvig
2006/08/14 13:11:36
R!Soc
Glad we could be of some help.

2006/08/14 19:47:57
harmony gardens
Well, hold on,, I need more help,,, lol.


Everything was working fine, until I tried recording with my new set up. When I arm a track to record and start it rolling, the sound goes dead. I can see the notes going into the track, but I hear no sound. The indicator on the synth,,, I'm using an XP 60,,, displays a little star in front of the name, which I know indicates that something in the performance has changed. If I change it to a different performance and go back to my Sonar Performance, the track plays. If I move the new clip to a midi track for a softsynth, such as Dimension, it plays Dimension fine. I've been checking my midi notes, and nothing seems to be out of order. Any ideas??
2006/08/14 21:56:34
Brett
ORIGINAL: harmony gardens

Well, hold on,, I need more help,,, lol.


Everything was working fine, until I tried recording with my new set up. When I arm a track to record and start it rolling, the sound goes dead. I can see the notes going into the track, but I hear no sound. The indicator on the synth,,, I'm using an XP 60,,, displays a little star in front of the name, which I know indicates that something in the performance has changed. If I change it to a different performance and go back to my Sonar Performance, the track plays. If I move the new clip to a midi track for a softsynth, such as Dimension, it plays Dimension fine. I've been checking my midi notes, and nothing seems to be out of order. Any ideas??


Flick the echo button on the track. I think it should be green not purple.

Brett
2006/08/14 23:50:53
whattarush
Try turn off the C.C. switch in "system" mode. I had the same problem with the XP80 and later the JV1080, but turn off this switch corrected this problem for me. Also, make sure the track volumes in SONAR are not set to "0" as this will send midi volume control messages to the JV1080.
HTH!!!
2006/08/15 09:46:26
harmony gardens

ORIGINAL: whattarush

Try turn off the C.C. switch in "system" mode. I had the same problem with the XP80 and later the JV1080, but turn off this switch corrected this problem for me. Also, make sure the track volumes in SONAR are not set to "0" as this will send midi volume control messages to the JV1080.
HTH!!!


Thanks whattarush. I can't seem to find a C.C. switch in the system menu. Any clues on how to find it?? Thanks

2006/08/15 20:08:34
timidi
ORIGINAL: Brett
I have a JV1080 and I've never been able to get it to play in multi timbre mode. I've read the manual a dozen times but I still don't get it.

With my Korg N5, i just set tracks, each with different midi ports and pathces; and the Korg plays each track as per the instrument selected. But the JV only responds to midi port 1. I can't see any way of making it respond in the same way as the Korg, not even in GM mode.

The manual is very vague about this. Am I missing something?
Brett


Are you still having problems?

when you say multi timbral, do you mean performance mode?
when you say 'midi port', do you mean 'midi channel?

and, I'm not clear what you mean 'get it to play'?

That said, I've been using the JV since it came out. What was that like 15 years ago.
It is a great synth. I have some ins files that I have been using with it for about that long. The thing is, you don't use an ins file to access different performance. The way I use it is to just turn it on and it defaults to performance 1. Then you can select patches in Sonar. Or, on the unit itself within the performance. However, if you do this, anything you do in Sonar will overide what you did in the JV. I used to use the sysx a lot to store the performance settings and then when I opened a file it was always the same. But, not much anymore.

It's been so long since I set the thing up but, if you could clarify your problem a little, I can take a look.

Now, if you can tell me how to turn off the effects in my Korg TR-Rack either globally forever (preferable) or via sysx per patch that would be wonderful:)
Tim
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