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2013/12/30 11:30:02
anorak
Hello
 
I have an USB-Masterkeyboard M-Audio Oxygen 61 and Cakewalk Sonar X3 (Standard).
The Keyboard has Fader, Trigger and specially Transport-Buttons.
 
But they don't Work in Sonar.
 
In VST-Instruments i can rightclick on an Fader and "Midi Learn", then touch an Fader on my Keyboard and the function are learned.
In Sonar i can't find any like that. In the Option in "Controller" i can't find the Oxygen.
 
I'm a little new with this technic and i hope, someone can explain what to do (maybe he has the same Keyboard).
(You can answer in german, if you wish)
 
Thanks
 
Andreas
 
2013/12/30 12:37:57
abb
Hi,  I have an Oxygen 49 and use it in X3 for a variety of applications like controlling volume/pan in tracks, controlling the EQ settings in Pro Channel, and controlling various synth parameters.
 
I wouldn't waste your time using "Midi Learn" -- Sonar does NOT store these settings between sessions.  Instead, set the keyboard up as an ACT controller.  Doing this will allow you to use the same physical keyboard to control many different features within Sonar (as described above).
 
The first step is to install the driver that came with the keyboard (if applicable to your operating system).  Next, make sure that the keyboard is detected in Sonar as a MIDI device.  Third, you need to add it as an ACT controller and assign it the Oxygen 61 MIDI inputs/outputs.  The last step is to load/configure an ACT template to do whatever it is you wish to do.  I think X3 comes with an ACT template for the Oxygen 61.  I recommend saving a copy with a different name *before* you start editing it with your preferences (so that you preserve the original in case you have to start over).  Also, make sure to save your template so that you don't have to repeat this step.
 
I'm writing all this from memory.  If you have trouble following it, let me know and I'll try to give more details when I get home.
 
Cheers...
2013/12/30 12:59:50
groovey1
I've used the method in the video link below with my Oxygen 8. Maybe it will also work with your 61. The trick seems to be that you set up a second generic control surface to handle the transport controls.
 
The video is old and uses Sonar v8, but it should still be applicable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab__e6xqv08
2013/12/31 08:45:28
anorak
Thanks for that help, but maybe not work..
I can make the chooses. Can Add a new Controller, the Oxygen. I take it as "In" and "out" (like seen in the video), and confirm, then the "in" and "out" are deselected.
The other steps i can't make without can choose an controller :(
 
 
2013/12/31 09:31:07
jedilaw
Hey, I'd be thrilled as all get out just to get X3 to accept MIDI notes from my Oxygen 49, much less transport controls, knobs, and faders.
 
The fact that Sonar X3 can't just detect a USB device that has the drivers pre-installed and go from there (like, say, Live) is far beyond annoying.
 
 
2013/12/31 10:22:40
Brando
jedilaw
Hey, I'd be thrilled as all get out just to get X3 to accept MIDI notes from my Oxygen 49, much less transport controls, knobs, and faders.
 
The fact that Sonar X3 can't just detect a USB device that has the drivers pre-installed and go from there (like, say, Live) is far beyond annoying.
 
 


I have an oxygen 61 - works fine with sonar x3 connected via USB. I would say you have another issue.
2013/12/31 10:47:09
gcolbert
Andreas, The setup works fine for me here.  Follow the youtube referenced in post #3 above.  Only change might be to use P.10 instead of P.05 on your Oxygen.
 
Glen
2013/12/31 11:08:20
CJaysMusic
The fact that Sonar X3 can't just detect a USB device that has the drivers pre-installed and go from there (like, say, Live) is far beyond annoying.

It does. You are leaving something out as it works on everyone eases PC and Sonar.
 
Cj
2013/12/31 13:19:14
jedilaw
CJaysMusic
The fact that Sonar X3 can't just detect a USB device that has the drivers pre-installed and go from there (like, say, Live) is far beyond annoying.

It does. You are leaving something out as it works on everyone eases PC and Sonar.
 
Cj




Apparently I have been, but that's the point.  USB was designed as a true plug-and-play interface. Plug in the device, Windows sees the device, apps use the device, done.  
 
It has been exactly that simple to get my Oxygen 49 working in Live 7.03 and in Reason 4.  Sonar X3...not really.  I seem to have gotten it working (somewhat, at least), but only after digging through multiple sub-menus, poking around with multiple options and buttons, reading through two sets of documentation and running a slew of Google searches. FAR more convoluted than it needs to be.
 
Hopefully, the benefits that X3 provides will outweigh the initial aggravation of its lack of simplicity.  
2013/12/31 17:59:33
dubdisciple
jedilaw
CJaysMusic
The fact that Sonar X3 can't just detect a USB device that has the drivers pre-installed and go from there (like, say, Live) is far beyond annoying.

It does. You are leaving something out as it works on everyone eases PC and Sonar.
 
Cj




Apparently I have been, but that's the point.  USB was designed as a true plug-and-play interface. Plug in the device, Windows sees the device, apps use the device, done.  
 
It has been exactly that simple to get my Oxygen 49 working in Live 7.03 and in Reason 4.  Sonar X3...not really.  I seem to have gotten it working (somewhat, at least), but only after digging through multiple sub-menus, poking around with multiple options and buttons, reading through two sets of documentation and running a slew of Google searches. FAR more convoluted than it needs to be.
 
Hopefully, the benefits that X3 provides will outweigh the initial aggravation of its lack of simplicity.  




 
Not really accurate and far from an apples to apples comparison.  USB is far from universally plug and play on any platform.  If that were the case, these devices would not require drivers. Even when USB works as simply plug and play it is usually for the most simple features .  For anything advanced drivers and setup are often required.  The fact that you have an older keyboard and it runs fine on older versions of software is irrelevant.  I had very different experiences plugging the exact same controller into different versions of Logic.  The older Oxygen series is notoriously fickle when it comes to running with newer software.  I have one and it is a pain.  The real problem is outside of the basic midi commands there is no universal DAW standards for controllers.  Some companies do a better job than others of keeping their drivers up to date to accomodate newer versions of DAWS.  With that said, ACT can be a pain, but imo, this is an issue that is typically resolved best by the maker of the controller.  The newest Novation controllers are almost plug and play with every major DAW because they had the foresight to take care of the heavy lifting.
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