I don’t see the relevance of comparing quadcurve to other 3rd party plugins or any standard sonar feature was a third-party plug-in for that matter. Third party stuff is almost always going to be better than stock equivalent bundled with programs like sonar. And I also hate to say it but you cannot compare fab filter of Q2 with the quad ur e. While the quad curve is excellent for many applications, there’s just no comparison in the functionality of the sound for that matter. The fabfilter is light-years above any stock eq in any of the daws. This goes for any plug-in of any type unless of course it’s already a third-party plug-in that’s licensed by sonar such as the BOZ or Breverb. The point is is that for the price one pays for sonar out of the box, you get everything you need to create music at a very high-level not necessarily at the full “pro“ level. All told, the prochannel stock set of plug-ins give you more than most daws and in my opinion in a way that enhances the workflow. I think prochannel is extremely convenient and if you want to add any third-party plug-in you could put it anywhere you want in the chain before after or within the prochannel Not to mention the ability to switch and move things in any order you like.. In my opinion what would be wise here under the new owners (BandLab) would be to take a step back and really go through the program and fix the major bugs first And shared some of the stuff that might be a conflict with the company such as landr. Even though I like and regulately use landr I understand why Bandlab and Meng has said he was going to decouple that or remove it . Frankly I do some very involved projects (100+ tracks) and for the most part don’t have huge problems with crashes but when it does crash it is extremely annoying and time-consuming. The larger the project the worst Sonors performance becomes but that’s the case with all these programs that I’ve used.As I said before I have mixed on other platforms and there’s just no comparison in my opinion for ease of use and ultimately the intuitiveness and overall functionality but as I also said I do primarily live bands not heavily dependent on midi so other people may have other issues with other parts of the program that I am not as experienced with. In this world somebody has to have something to create the music we all love and you need a full-featured DAW to do that. For things such as modern pop and hip-hop, you don’t even have to play in instrument to be able to write and even produce the songs your other tools such as NPC’s etc. that serve that purpose. so for me it’s entirely different paradigm anyway so I’m not really going there. But for those that don’t need it all,In case people have forgotten sonar does/did offer three levels of functionality so not everybody has to get the full blown version. The best strategy going forward might really be to compile a list of the top 10 bugs in sonar and let bandlab set out to really dig into those and fix them. If they did so, sonar would be quite unstoppable. So no it was a little more stable, I’m not sure what did you tractors would have a data point to complain will criticize about it . This is not an easy task of course otherwise it would’ve already been done. Of course every single other program either used crashes as well so as with all software noticed it is 100% stable unfortunately. I also think that regardless of the lifetime update that many of us have paid for in the past I would also be willing to pay a small fee to get the upgrade and to get sonarjumpstarted again by the new company this said. I am not interested in monthly licenses or any subscription model as I like to own what are use

cparmerlee

Sir Les
Well, in some circles...not all of them be circles...But whom owns what, and whom is going to be owned...or what, if we dig into financial corp take overs, and or unseen ownersheepship....Just to avoid any court or law....Things to undo, what was done.....Is or as it be is...Is..as it may be....So, it might be nice to see the product of Cake being served by so call other interested bought or sold....from or to, or in keeping...sold to avoid....Is just the shell game of some corps, tied hands or not but might be in future.....No one out side the loop, or circle needs know!...But could be....?
 
...
 
Saw enough...not sure who is to blame...but part to blame is the one who buys.....also, be a fool when stuff like this occurs....What did you expect from a Cash cow system?...Life time updates or something?
Oh yah words....eh?

I didn't understand a word of that, but I wholeheartedly agree with whatever you said.  :)

Perfect. I've always read posts and decided if the person might be the type I'd play in a band with or even stand to be in a room with jammin'...just a leftover habit...there sure hasn't been many but I'd show up to jam with you both.

I can certainly understand feelings of uncertainty. 
 
It has already been mentioned that people use daws differently. Point well taken. This means there is no "best daw"
in the general sense. Please go to the Ableton, Reason, Cubase, Reaper forum and tell them how utterly clunky some of their features are. They all have clunky features. Please report back as to how well all of that worked out for you.
 
Please go the the daw from God forum and stay there. We like Sonar.
 

Starise
I can certainly understand feelings of uncertainty. 
 
It has already been mentioned that people use daws differently. Point well taken. This means there is no "best daw"
in the general sense. Please go to the Ableton, Reason, Cubase, Reaper forum and tell them how utterly clunky some of their features are. They all have clunky features. Please report back as to how well all of that worked out for you.
 
Please go the the daw from God forum and stay there. We like Sonar.
 

+1
I have to agree on this. I have tried some other DAW's when the announcement came and I will now use a couple of them for projects. But, I don't see the point of Bashing Sonar or the other DAW's. They all have strengths and weaknesses too. Plus ALL DAW'S have bugs. It is whether it is a show stopper or not.
 
Yes, I do feel for the users who have run into the strange behavior on larger projects. Most of mine are not huge projects. But, I did have some get up there in track count with mainly in the box virtual instruments and did see some strange behavior. I'm saying this to let other users know I do understand their gripes.
 
 
 
 

In 2010 I bought a lifetime membership to American Songwriter magazine thinking it would fold the next year.  Here it is 2017 and I still get the magazine for my one time purchase.  I was hoping it would have worked the same for Sonar but, sadly it doesn't appear to be in the same boat.

iRelevant

sharke
"Been using the program since the DOS days" 
 

Hoho, that's hilarious :) But yeah, I think your assessment of Sonar forum demographics is spot on.
 
I guess the punks who grew up with facebook and smartphones have new  expectations. 
 
I don't get around that much these days, so I'm curious as to what you would say have "street cred" these days ?

With the kids (teens, 20's), FL Studio, Ableton and Reason are where it's at, although Bitwig is making headway there too. These DAW's are heavily geared toward modern production techniques, especially in the electronic realm. Part of the reason why this kind of music production is so popular among youngsters it that you can do it solo, in your bedroom, without the need for expensive equipment or soundproof studios. Recording full bands is another story entirely. You need space, you need mics, you need the instruments, and even if you have all those it's a very steep learning curve to that "pro" sound. If you're using soft synths and samples you can do it all on a laptop in the box on your headphones and achieve a commercial quality mix, and kids are very much doing this. They're leaping on DAW's which have the best reputation in this area. Sonar doesn't get a look in. 
 
Logic and Pro Tools also have street cred, especially among the hip hop crowd and anyone recording vocal based pop or EDM. But it's not just the DAW's, it's the OS they run on. Macs have more street cred than PC's, and you're not going to get street cred (as much as I hate that term) with a DAW that only runs on Windows.  

stratman70
To say Sonar wasn't profitable is absurd. We have NO idea what Gibson did. What they snafu-ed etc. They owe 1/2 Billion dollars today. So why would anything they do or did be used as a guide or to come to a conclusion. Except a BAD conclusion.
I agree that many left because some issues they had were never addressed. 
 

 
It's not just a matter of being profitable per se, it's a matter of being profitable enough. You can break even or make a small profit and decide that it's just not a good enough use of your time and resources. Roland offloaded Cakewalk, and then Gibson. Neither would have done so had Sonar been a moneyspinner. 
 

sharke
Recording full bands is another story entirely. You need space, you need mics, you need the instruments, and

talent.
 
(Oh crap.  I've become that old man I never wanted to be.)

Let's be fair to Sonar (well..me) It always seemed to me that we would implement something first then other DAWs would have it. So we have always been ahead of the curve so to speak. I see a lot of similarities in Studio One that is in Sonar. Just that the workflow is really good and it feels right. I don't know how Presonus did it. But it just fits into your psyche. 
 
Sonar takes some thinking and strategizing before it can make sense. You have to know it like an old hoover that gets into the corners. I guess that is why we are so fond of it with its quirks. Its like a Korby Vacuum cleaner all the parts fit well until its time to clean it and put it back together again.

spacey

cparmerlee

Sir Les
Well, in some circles...not all of them be circles...But whom owns what, and whom is going to be owned...or what, if we dig into financial corp take overs, and or unseen ownersheepship....Just to avoid any court or law....Things to undo, what was done.....Is or as it be is...Is..as it may be....So, it might be nice to see the product of Cake being served by so call other interested bought or sold....from or to, or in keeping...sold to avoid....Is just the shell game of some corps, tied hands or not but might be in future.....No one out side the loop, or circle needs know!...But could be....?
 
...
 
Saw enough...not sure who is to blame...but part to blame is the one who buys.....also, be a fool when stuff like this occurs....What did you expect from a Cash cow system?...Life time updates or something?
Oh yah words....eh?

I didn't understand a word of that, but I wholeheartedly agree with whatever you said.  :)

Perfect. I've always read posts and decided if the person might be the type I'd play in a band with or even stand to be in a room with jammin'...just a leftover habit...there sure hasn't been many but I'd show up to jam with you both.

 
Thanks for reading between the lines....and correcting the errors of the others ...for so many people lost in the manual...and agreements, oaths or promises.....of words....if my words are hard to make sense of....And you agree...then this music if saying something we all were lead into by words....some say failed?...Not one life here, on these forums giving and sharing their time and efforts was [link=mailto:lost@....Doing]lost@....Doing [/link]it.
 
https://soundcloud.com/leslie-pugh/jazz-from-hell
 
That is what they sold before it was ready to be sold....listen!...Play like children should...and laugh at this muse of the cash cow exposed!...look how it snakes back to pay more for more, because some one else bought it out,of the life time update plan...cut off by, to bring it back into......can't stop that!...But we not be fools either!...Cause we still be....And nothing will remove the truths told.
 
So...Play on...Make the best of Good into more Good...and very Good music...don't let the machine stop you!
 
We are better than the machine.....because we can make music and original music without any instrument...Just need to know the lingo!///Let the heart and mind regain the truth of what we are...as Humankind....Now no machine can match that.....And give and share, and care takers of it....ARE IT!
 
So says we who listened....and corrected and made righteousness be born!