Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
 
There is a reason why it works well for many people - it was tailored to fit them.
 

Absolutely. I remember having a discussion about aux tracks, and someone from Cakewalk jumped in and said we already had buses, making aux tracks a moot point. We discussed further about how the two are different, then lo and behold, a few months later we had patch points.
 
This, for me, is why I was so disheartened to hear that SONAR would no longer be developed. Ultimately I took advantage of a cheap crossgrade to Studio One, and while they do have SONAR beat in a few areas, overall I much prefer SONAR. And I definitely see myself switching back, now that it will continue to be developed. 
 
Who knows what form the new software will take...rolling monthly updates with small additions/tweaks? Big yearly updates like most other DAWs? Somewhere in between? But hopefully BandLab takes user feedback into account the same way Cakewalk did with SONAR. 

My first DAW was one I bet nobody hear has ever heard of.  It was called Musicator and was primarily used in Europe, even though I live in the US.  I think it's primary use now is only a notation / sequencer program, but it used to support recording audio as well back when i was using it in 1998.  It's workflow was horrendous. Then along came Acid.  2.0.  I ended up relying too much on just using loops with that and I feel some of my music lost it's character when I started relying on loops.  (I don't think Acid 2 had great, if any MIDI support).  Then came Adobe Audition.  Still no real MIDI support.  I still tended to use Acid Loops for drums and would export them into AA.  Then finally, Acid 5 came out (or maybe 6...) and it had MIDI support...so I would program MIDI, export it into AA, and then I would do my live / audio recording.
 
Needless to say, the workflow was quite encumbering. 
 
Then I discovered the beauty that was Sonar at the same time I discovered Komplete.  I could do it all in Sonar.  And it was so easy, I pretty much never relied on Acid for loops again.  The step sequencer in Sonar made drum programming a cinch.  LOVED it.  I rarely relied on loops from that point on.  
 
So, I get the workflow point that Noel made.  I ended up getting Studio One Pro when I heard about the Gibson / Sonar thing, and while I really do like that DAW, the workflow is nowhere near the same...and I really do prefer the workflow of Sonar.  That's why I am glad Bandlab came in and is hopefully going to keep a good thing going, and hopefully make it even great.  

Hey...slogan idea for you...Making your DAW Great Again.
 
 
 

Midiboy
My first DAW was one I bet nobody hear has ever heard of.  It was called Musicator and was primarily used in Europe, even though I live in the US.  I think it's primary use now is only a notation / sequencer program, but it used to support recording audio as well back when i was using it in 1998.  It's workflow was horrendous.

You are not alone :) We had it at school at the time, in 1994-95 or something, but we did midi only. I remember it being very capable in terms of advanced rythmic notation and entry, no problems stretching quintuplets over bars and doing endless polyrythms etc. Kind of strange it had those features wy back then, and we dont have it today. Go figure. Had forgot about its existence almost. 

Sir Les
Well, in some circles...not all of them be circles...But whom owns what, and whom is going to be owned...or what, if we dig into financial corp take overs, and or unseen ownersheepship....Just to avoid any court or law....Things to undo, what was done.....Is or as it be is...Is..as it may be....So, it might be nice to see the product of Cake being served by so call other interested bought or sold....from or to, or in keeping...sold to avoid....Is just the shell game of some corps, tied hands or not but might be in future.....No one out side the loop, or circle needs know!...But could be....?
 
 
Now, Don't fooled by the radio, tv, or the magazines....Just remember that it is a grand illusion...and play liken children...find out the lingo, make a lookie see into the codex...and seek to solve!....Freely given, freely received as so, when made because it is a good thing, or very good thing made...Was a way of method...But denied by the anti of that method to employ cost fee and taxation to fuel..X,Y, Z to solve for...so when one pays, and they say this, that and the other as word is with it being the Working model of future this or that....and it is not proper sold, to make one pay to fix, what they did not break or make....and they say more is needed to solve, but one last payment for life...to get it right...and or the hook line and sinker offered as a might be is being worked upon...But is nothing more than a shell of what was, as given to say,...we tried....failed...and now are closed out of...sold out to?....
 
 
Interesting the reserection of...Is just to remove the cap, so it can make money again, and loose the owners of the licence by saying these other applications will take your licence of old, and give you another product, with the same muse attached....The cash cow is not a game for children...if it be tied to other things, some might not know it fuels.
 
 
So many perspectives one can look into...as a way to solve a problem put by words.
 
What say you?....I do not believe Cakewalk had bad intentions for this....and I believe, what is occurring now, can be just to take the product out of that Last offer many bought into...because it was not completely proper in its workings....
 
Now I know some were using older versions....But for me X1 was a turd...so x2 cost...and more fixes applied...still no glory for some...x3...still not proper for some...Seemingly dependent on type of gear, drivers, and OS changes...Keeps the application market on OS MS...in constant flux.
 
It is based on...the cash cow!....never proper, but always fixing....at the cost of the user...or con sue me er...If you like taking words apart....and changing meanings to mean....not what you read...but what it is.
 
 
Think outside the box, most heads have been in way too  long ....trying to make it work.....some have said it does, some not so saying it be totally stable and makes errors with files and such being either corrupted, or just not able to get it locked to the drivers of audio gear..always being lost...or crashing on start up, or hanging...
 
 
Saw enough...not sure who is to blame...but part to blame is the one who buys.....also, be a fool when stuff like this occurs....What did you expect from a Cash cow system?...Life time updates or something?
 
 
 
Oh yah words....eh?
 

You keep using words in English... I don't think it means what you think it means.

patm300e

Jeff Evans
Waves Scheps Omni Channel does everything that Sonar's Pro Channel ever did and more.  (its on special too I think still) There are a ton of EQ's out there that would easily match the Quad curve for its sound and features.  You are wrong in thinking the Quad curve is the only EQ out there.

+1 Waves Scheps Omni Channel!

For my workflow this is not true, because there are 2 great features of the QuadCurve/ProChannel:

1. When I have the PC open I can compare/change the EQs (or ...) of 2 tracks with only one click (selecting the 2nd track). As far as I know this is not possible with any non-PC EQ/plugin.
2. With one click I can check the EQ with the FFT spectrum analyzer in the fly-out panel.

I think, there are often such simple things that make you like and prefer a DAW. Okay I am an older guy, but I have not used Sonar for such a long time. Nevertheless I could list several features like the ones above that still convince me that it is the best DAW for me!

Ruben

Sir Les
Well, in some circles...not all of them be circles...But whom owns what, and whom is going to be owned...or what, if we dig into financial corp take overs, and or unseen ownersheepship....Just to avoid any court or law....Things to undo, what was done.....Is or as it be is...Is..as it may be....So, it might be nice to see the product of Cake being served by so call other interested bought or sold....from or to, or in keeping...sold to avoid....Is just the shell game of some corps, tied hands or not but might be in future.....No one out side the loop, or circle needs know!...But could be....?
 
 
Now, Don't fooled by the radio, tv, or the magazines....Just remember that it is a grand illusion...and play liken children...find out the lingo, make a lookie see into the codex...and seek to solve!....Freely given, freely received as so, when made because it is a good thing, or very good thing made...Was a way of method...But denied by the anti of that method to employ cost fee and taxation to fuel..X,Y, Z to solve for...so when one pays, and they say this, that and the other as word is with it being the Working model of future this or that....and it is not proper sold, to make one pay to fix, what they did not break or make....and they say more is needed to solve, but one last payment for life...to get it right...and or the hook line and sinker offered as a might be is being worked upon...But is nothing more than a shell of what was, as given to say,...we tried....failed...and now are closed out of...sold out to?....
 
 
Interesting the reserection of...Is just to remove the cap, so it can make money again, and loose the owners of the licence by saying these other applications will take your licence of old, and give you another product, with the same muse attached....The cash cow is not a game for children...if it be tied to other things, some might not know it fuels.
 
 
So many perspectives one can look into...as a way to solve a problem put by words.
 
What say you?....I do not believe Cakewalk had bad intentions for this....and I believe, what is occurring now, can be just to take the product out of that Last offer many bought into...because it was not completely proper in its workings....
 
Now I know some were using older versions....But for me X1 was a turd...so x2 cost...and more fixes applied...still no glory for some...x3...still not proper for some...Seemingly dependent on type of gear, drivers, and OS changes...Keeps the application market on OS MS...in constant flux.
 
It is based on...the cash cow!....never proper, but always fixing....at the cost of the user...or con sue me er...If you like taking words apart....and changing meanings to mean....not what you read...but what it is.
 
 
Think outside the box, most heads have been in way too  long ....trying to make it work.....some have said it does, some not so saying it be totally stable and makes errors with files and such being either corrupted, or just not able to get it locked to the drivers of audio gear..always being lost...or crashing on start up, or hanging...
 
 
Saw enough...not sure who is to blame...but part to blame is the one who buys.....also, be a fool when stuff like this occurs....What did you expect from a Cash cow system?...Life time updates or something?
 
 
 
Oh yah words....eh?
 

You keep using words in English... I don't think it means what you think it means.

 
I see you have the same problem...Perhaps?...Did you buy a dying DAW unaware, because words like lifetime updates were used, after paying for it to work through three or four number revisions and not seeing that work working on...OS MS per say as stated on the box?...or because on the outside of the box, it was writen" it works on Win OS 7, vst and CPU PC XYZ and above with ASIO"...??? ...X1 said to my eye....until now. PLAT OR SPLAT on win 10 also saying it now works on...windows 10 is still updating to fix bugs..AND DROPPING MY DRIVER FOR AUDIO AS ASIO..if the OS is not right...How can the words on the box stand as being...Meaning what they say?....Cannot mean, if it is constantly being fixed.....And Bandlabs even says it is in need of some workings to get it up to snuff.......Words mean nothing in this circle....Some circles, words hold truth of the meanings....Some do not!
 
Now in coding...of which I do not write or understand that much about...Is it not a more robust perfect language of binary?
 
If so is a worded Hexadeca....or above in terms of Quadrants..might even be qubed quarters of 4D rendering equations, that come to resolve a Function or reduce or enlarge a number by using terms of mathamatics...Another Language of Perfects?..error can only enter if mistakes are put into...to cause or interuption of the function makes hangs, or dropped, or haulted by...error to compute in ...The machine reading or execution of the code and or instruction....If error is put, or a unknown cause be causing....error...it is or must have something causing it to malfunction....
 
I have to believe...If a thing is responsible...not so much a word...but  a violation of principle...being used to gain or for to gain before it is made proper, and if making for to gain this broken principle, Be the initial goal in heart of mind..or mind of heart to gain....it brings the error into the making of...causes Murphy's Law to manifest into....Shows it does come to ruin...Then...It is found a reason as a fact of Proof of a Truth to it.

And to add to my last worded message....so it does not be removed due to edited too much...
 
all daws have bugs....if you go deep enough and stress the limites said it or has in it employed to use...unlimited tracks...and undos...with same base OSes of MS!
 
Prove me wrong?

Sir Les, do you you like DEAN Guitars ?
 

Pragi
Sir Les, do you you like DEAN Guitars ?
 

I like good Guitars...to play music on...I like well made things...I like life....I like my neighbours of life in good health...having joy..not fear of life...But good intentions...Good tidings...Good spirits...Good things...to help other have...To see no harm is done to any....I like to believe one day...if we try real hard....We can all sing a song together...we conquer the evil and wicked...and sin sees the results of its own making...and comes out to reason!....Life...Out of death, if life chose death...then a choice is in death back to life!....No sin...no death.
 

Sir Les

Pragi
Sir Les, do you you like DEAN Guitars ?
 

....Life...Out of death, if life chose death...then a choice is in death back to life!....No sin...no death.
 

Can´t confirm , it must be said : 
death : no sin=life