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2014/07/25 13:45:17
Anderton
Saw this from jb101 in the thread on ProChannel development:
 
@ShellstaX - The FX  Chain Module has almost completely replaced the FX bin for me.  It adds so much more functionality (if that's a real word) to the signal chain in Sonar.
 
I can now create PC modules that I want.  With the bundled Nomad FX, I now have a Pulteq EQ and a Fairchild compressor in the ProChannel.  It also works as a great "gain stage".
 
Which got me thinking about which FX Chains/VST FX would work best in the ProChannel. The Pultec and Fairchild mentioned above make a lot of sense, because you'd want to adjust them in context. OTOH something like Channel Tools seems more useful for the FX bin because it's probably more of a set-and-forget type of situation - there's no real need to have it take up space in the PC. Ditto "wideners" and other FX that you adjust and leave alone.
 
Delay seems like a good effect to put in the PC because I think a lot of times you might want to adjust it in conjunction with EQ and dynamics. Same with multiband dynamics as an alternative to the Concrete Limiter's stereo operation.
 
Any thoughts about what works best in the bin and works best in the PC?
 
 
2014/07/25 13:55:26
John
I tend to set and forget all plugins.
2014/07/25 14:06:17
michaelhanson
What you have listed already Craig are good suggestions.  I honestly do not use the FX Bin much any more, other than when I drop in an Amp Sim.  I like the PC and adding the FX Chain box because I can see exactly in the signal chain where everything is placed. 
 
What still throughs me all the time is the Pre and Post on the PC.  When ever I have something in the FX Bin and PC going at the same time, the plug in the FX Bin will not be reacting for me the way I want.  It will take me forever to remember to check to see if I switched the PC to Post and it never fails that is my issue.
2014/07/25 14:43:11
Anderton
MakeShift
What you have listed already Craig are good suggestions.  I honestly do not use the FX Bin much any more, other than when I drop in an Amp Sim.  I like the PC and adding the FX Chain box because I can see exactly in the signal chain where everything is placed. 
 
What still throughs me all the time is the Pre and Post on the PC.  When ever I have something in the FX Bin and PC going at the same time, the plug in the FX Bin will not be reacting for me the way I want.  It will take me forever to remember to check to see if I switched the PC to Post and it never fails that is my issue.




Bring up the Console view for a quick look (I keep it docked in the background, and type "D" to toggle it in and out). There's a Post button in the PC section of the channel strip.
2014/07/25 15:06:57
Wookiee
I find putting any FX I use in an FX chain just means I do not have worry about setting the post button on the channel.  Also it gives that gain structure advantage mention in the other thread.
 
I suppose I also see the channel as the last link in my recording chain i.e. Source instrument, in line FX, recording console.  Keep it simple is my motto.
2014/07/25 15:17:37
stevec
Ditto, Wookie.   I pretty much look at it the same way. 
2014/07/25 15:21:23
sharke
I've never used the FX bin and see no need to. I just look on the ProChannel as my effects chain for the track and freely mix PC modules with 3rd party plugs in FX chains. Sometimes I'll have 3 or more FX chains mixed in with the PC modules, depending on how I want the effects ordered. The downside of FX chains is that you sometimes end up hosting just one plug in each of them, which obviously wastes a lot of vertical space. I really wish there was a way of collapsing them to the height of however many effects you have in them. FX chains to me are just placeholders for 3rd party plugins. I've never really used the controls on them.
2014/07/25 16:36:17
smallstonefan
The only two effects I use in the FX Bin are Slate Virtual Tape and Slate Virtual Console - since I want them at the beginning of the chain and almost never edit them. Honestly, if I could increase the space of the FX Bin in the console view to show about 6 plugins, I would use it a lot more.
 
I use FX Chains for everything else, and I've saved presets (Guitar, Bass, Kick, Rack Tom, Floor Tom, Snare, etc.) to make it easy to get started mixing a track.
 
On the 2Bus, I have an FX chain for the bus (buss compressor, another virtual tape sim, and sometimes a clean EQ like Maag) and a separate FX Chain with Ozone and fGX so I can just turn off the mastering stuff by turning off the FX Chain.
 
I do wish there was a way to have a single button to toggle between two different FX Chains to A/B different approaches to a track...
2014/07/25 16:45:26
Sanderxpander
I would also really like having larger (or resizable) bin in the console view. Not to mention more simultaneous sends. Both of those are much more important to me than more plugs in the PC. I don't use the PC at all. An important reason for that I prefer having the volume, pan and send controls in my inspector. Whenever I need to adjust an effect, any effect, a simple double click opens the relevant one. In console view I've never gotten used to the PC view, though this is obviously due to lack of effort on my part. I don't like to have some tracks double width and not others, etc.
2014/07/25 18:11:27
...wicked
I'll tell ya what I'd like to see in the pro-channel: sends. Like, an I/O module. I've seen mentioned a bunch the new compressor plugs that have a wet/dry on them so you can do "parallel compression". Well, I don't know of a decent recipe for that which doesn't also entail adding some EQ on the parallel compressed signal, which you can't do with a simple wet/dry knob. An I/O module would let you send that signal out to a separate track for the rest of the recipe.
 
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