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2014/09/12 10:15:18
Anderton
How often do you need to go into preferences? Most of it is set-and-forget for me.
 
As to distributing things over multiple screens, I assume one of the reasons is because you can access several pages from inside Sonar. For example, one Preference I do access a lot is snap to grid, but I can access that with a right-click on the toolbar snap button. Metronome preferences work similarly. 
 
I could see needing to disable ins and outs relatively often on the devices page so you don't have open inputs, but in that case, I would prefer to have the page allocated to seeing as much I/O as possible (as it's set now) compared to having all the other parameters on there that are set and forget, which would require scrolling through a smaller view of I/O devices.
 
There's always room for improvement, but given the set-and-forget and subjective nature of preferences, it seems not worth spending the resources. However, if people could come up with a use case for a specific change and why it's useful, I assume it would be considered but it would need to be universally useful. Here's an example: Currently, if you right-click on an audio track's input field, nothing happens. It could call up the preferences page for enabling I/O. But in that case, you probably would want to keep that function as a separate page rather than also jamming in things like whether to have the MMCSS option checkbox, which has nothing to do with choosing I/O. So while that change would work for me, it would work against those who want to see all the audio functions consolidated on one page...which would also work against people with a lot of I/O and want to see as much of it as possible...but would be fine if your're using a 2 x 2 interface.
 
So I guess the next step would be a preferences menu on how to set up your preferences... But again, how much do you really need to go in there? If it's something you do a lot, then I think it would make more sense to make it accessible from within the program, like you can with Snap to Grid.
 
 
 
 
2014/09/12 10:22:46
worstcaseontario
 I certainly did not quote Member Sanderxpander to call on the member to justify the comment made. I went to "the bakers" defence just to make crystal-clear my intentions for posting my tread. To me, It is clear enough that something went wrong along the way. To be as pretentious and pompous as possible, I posted my thread as an appeal for some kind of "Truth and Reconciliation" discussion on the issue. I truly think it is in Cakewalk's interest to iron this out a little. While I am by no means a busy successful audio producer, I can easily imagine somebody who is one, sitting down with Sonar to "giv'r a try" and be put off immediately and permanently, then go on Gearslutz and KVR or whatever and spend more time there complaining about the experience than they spent trying to figure out the programme. My same imagination may also be responsible for me thinking that makes any difference at all to Cakewalk and Sonar's bottom line, so I dunno.
 
 Thank you for you suggestion, Member LunaTech. I will look into that.
 
2014/09/12 10:27:35
worstcaseontario
Administrator Anderton posted his while I was typing mine. I hate that. It makes it look like I ignored Anderton's post.
2014/09/12 10:57:43
worstcaseontario
 Thank you for your interest and input, Administrator Anderton.
Yeah, "set and FORGET". Emphasis mine. I want to re-set it but I've forgotten where it is. And it is not in the first three places I thought it might be. If the first place I looked was the manual, it might be in the second place I looked, but it never seems to go down like that. I don't think I am alone with this.
"Preferences menu on how to set up your preferences"? Maybe it has come to this, but please make it so that you hafta hold down Shift-Control-Alt-S-O-N-A-R while opening a project with the word Honeybee in the title to access it. ( you will need an assistant to work the mouse for you). I jest.
2014/09/12 10:59:35
Sanderxpander
Craig, I for instance need to switch driver modes, inputs and outputs, buffer sizes and that kind of thing a lot. I have my home/studio system which is fixed, but I bring my laptop to lots of places. When it's just my laptop and I'm doing some editing, I use MME just for playback because neither WDM nor ASIO4ALL give me any kind of stability. When I'm at one of my workplaces, I plug into the Behringer X32 that they have since it's already completely hooked up to everything else. I just finished a recording session using a borrowed RME FireFace 400 and when I have to bring my own box it's an M-Audio Fast Track Pro that I still haven't been able to afford to make obsolete.
 
My laptop also has different disk response so sometimes I have to tweak the buffers there. I don't see why we couldn't have a single tab with most of those things in one place, perhaps putting some under an "advanced" tab or button. While I realize this will still mean navigating multiple pages, the point is that right now it's not really clear where to look. For instance, I have to set the "driver mode" in "Playback and Recording" rather than in "Driver Settings". There's a whole bunch of other settings in the former page that could easily go in some kind of "advanced" menu. Just one example.
 
It's hardly a deal breaker and I appreciate that there are multiple ways of looking at this and many other features and niggles to add and fix first. But if someone says "do Sonar's preferences look like a bit of a mess to you" I have to say yes.
2014/09/12 11:05:03
worstcaseontario
 Oh yeah, one more quick wise-acre comment from me. I believe the term "set and forget" is borrowed from land-mine jargon. Just a thought.
2014/09/12 11:17:53
lawp
Anderton
How often do you need to go into preferences? Most of it is set-and-forget for me.

same here, makes me wonder why there's a shortcut key bound for opening the preferences dialog?
2014/09/12 12:06:11
Anderton
Sanderxpander
Craig, I for instance need to switch driver modes, inputs and outputs, buffer sizes and that kind of thing a lot. I have my home/studio system which is fixed, but I bring my laptop to lots of places. When it's just my laptop and I'm doing some editing, I use MME just for playback because neither WDM nor ASIO4ALL give me any kind of stability. When I'm at one of my workplaces, I plug into the Behringer X32 that they have since it's already completely hooked up to everything else. I just finished a recording session using a borrowed RME FireFace 400 and when I have to bring my own box it's an M-Audio Fast Track Pro that I still haven't been able to afford to make obsolete.
 
My laptop also has different disk response so sometimes I have to tweak the buffers there. I don't see why we couldn't have a single tab with most of those things in one place, perhaps putting some under an "advanced" tab or button. While I realize this will still mean navigating multiple pages, the point is that right now it's not really clear where to look. For instance, I have to set the "driver mode" in "Playback and Recording" rather than in "Driver Settings". There's a whole bunch of other settings in the former page that could easily go in some kind of "advanced" menu. Just one example.
 



Seems to me the simplest solution from a user standpoint would be to enable saving "profiles" for different setups. Not sure how many people move computers around to different recording scenarios, though. Maybe something could be done with switchable AUD.INI files?
2014/09/12 12:23:26
scook
If it is primarily AUD.ini changes a bat/cmd file could handle it. If it involved registry changes maybe different Windows users would help.
2014/09/12 12:41:31
worstcaseontario
 Can I do this? Can I have Sonar set to start up on one AUD.INI say with my one stereo in and out Cakewalk interface set up to handle the audio, clock set to audio, copy, paste somewhere and and rename the AUD.INI, then go and change my audio ins and outs to ReRoute 128 channels inputs 1 through 32 enabled, 33 through 128 disabled, outputs 1 through 64 and 97 through 128 disabled and 65 through 96 enabled, clock set to SMPTE, do the same thing with a different name to the INI file, and with a little creative renaming and dragging files around, have preset input and output templates.
 I'm asking before I just start messing around with this just in case there is a caution that I don't see. Even if I don't save a good copy of the file and bork everything up the worst case ontario would require a Sonar re-insall, right? (I'm asking here) Like I said, my experience as a computer operator is limited. I assure you that Rolls-Royce does not let me anywhere near the .INI file of their SAP system.
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