Thank you for your sentiments.

robert_e_bone
VERY happy you are happier with it all....
 
 
Bob Bone

Confused people often seem unhappy. I was never unhappy and was as careful as I could be to make the distinction clear. And I am sensitive to the possibility that the nature my questions could seem like a troll. I don't want anything dumbed down with Sonar. If anything, make Sonar MORE convoluted, so long as I know how to work it, then when it takes over everything, I will be way ahead of the curve. I mean, I will be THE guy to talk to about studio problems in the ENTIRE Lower Seaway Valley. Sadly, SAP is going to take over first, I'm afraid, but I have a bit of a leg up there too. I hope I don't need "smileys" to express an attempt at humour here.
 

Anderton

worstcaseontario
 That's actually amusing. But on whose face does this put egg on? The users who are asking for features they already had, or the Word guys for allowing this to happen?  

As I said on my twitter feed recently, "Definition of power user: Someone who reads the manual."

 No arguement with the wisdom of your "tweet"(is that right?), man. But if some Microsoft Word programming guy told me, to my face, that it was MY fault I couldn't find where he hid something, I could easily take it as kinda insulting. How about you?

worstcaseontario

Anderton

worstcaseontario
 That's actually amusing. But on whose face does this put egg on? The users who are asking for features they already had, or the Word guys for allowing this to happen?  

As I said on my twitter feed recently, "Definition of power user: Someone who reads the manual."

No arguement with the wisdom of your "tweet"(is that right?), man. But if some Microsoft Word programming guy told me, to my face, that it was MY fault I couldn't find where he hid something, I could easily take it as kinda insulting. How about you?

Before the invention of the PDF and decades of evolution, I might have agreed. But programs have hundreds, even thousands, of options and there's no way they can all occupy center stage. This is why I like PDF files (and the internet) - if I want to see if something exists, or how to use something in a more efficient or intelligent way, I search on it. Even taking the Sonar documentation as an example, sometimes someone will ask a question here and I'll find a link to the documentation that will help. But many times, while checking out that link, there's some additional tip or shortcut or whatever that I didn't know - so I learn something too.

Sanderxpander
I just don't think the menu structure is very streamlined. The OP was asking if anyone shared his opinion and I do.

It would be an interesting exercise to propose a streamlined version. If there was a consensus as to some approach being significantly superior, and it didn't involve too much ripping the program apart, it can always be suggested and we can see what happens.
 
I tend to think for most people it's a set-and-forget thing, though, so I don't know how important most users would rate it. But if you could just take a "snapshot" of the current preferences setting and save it for later recall, it seems that would solve 99% of the people's needs who want streamlined preferences. The problem isn't really whether preferences are streamlined or not; the problem is how fast you can change from one operating environment to another. While streamlined preferences might make a different, saving and loading profiles would, I believe, make a much bigger difference.
 

Anderton
I tend to think for most people it's a set-and-forget thing, though, so I don't know how important most users would rate it.

I don't think this is a valid assumption in this mobile world of ours.  I'm not that mobile, but I do drag my laptop around and depending on whether or not I also drag my interface with it, I am continually resetting things.  If it's been a while I have to re-figure out which page and which settings, etc. etc.
 

worstcaseontario
No arguement with the wisdom of your "tweet"(is that right?), man. But if some Microsoft Word programming guy told me, to my face, that it was MY fault I couldn't find where he hid something, I could easily take it as kinda insulting. How about you?

If it was documented it would be a case of RTFM.

Yeah, Okay. But imagine that is the windows guy from those windows vs mac TV ads a bit back, telling you it's your fault. Or if you wanna get really mad, imagine it's the mac guy from those same ads.
 

Being an IT support guy in the past the amount of people who blamed me, MS or 'computers' because they couldn't find their files or didn't know how to do something made my blood boil. Rather than ask a polite question and get a polite answer, or (heaven forbid) train themselves or read the help file, they would expect the IT dept to be their man servant. Not everybody was like this of course...
 
I would expect it to be more likely the other way around, but I would understand anybody getting pissed off with an arrogant person in any scenario.

 Your sensitivities are to be respected, Alex. I assure you that I am incapable of berating and abusing support people because I will not read the documentation. I hope nothing I have posted on this board gives you the impression that I support this kind of behavior.
 
 

Lol course not :)