clintmartin
I would guess Bandlab bought Cakewalk with the intention of integrating it into Bandlab for a more advanced DAW...that could also be used standalone. Or maybe they see people exporting stems from the DAW into Bandlab. I'm sure there is a bigger vision for both.

That's what I would have thought also.  I can easily imagine (and imagination is a lot easier than coding) a situation like this:
 

1. A person can go on the website and do some "scratchpad composing" by dragging around loops.
2. This can be cloud-ified to the smart phone app, where the composer could add some vocal tracks, or maybe even a live guitar track.
3. Any of this can show up in the new DAW as a set of tracks.
4. In the DAW, you can modify the existing loops and other material, or you can add new tracks (audio or MIDI)
5. Those DAW tracks automatically show up on the website and smart phone.  Some of the DAW-created content might be locked to prevent it from being degraded from online editing, but certainly panning and faders could be done on any of the platforms.
6. A collaborator could see any or all of this and add tracks from any of the platforms, including the collaborator's own DAW --- which might not be the new Bandlab DAW.  After all, wasn't that mainly the vision of Momentum?

This would also explain why Bandlab would be interested in SONAR.  No matter how good the web and smart phone apps get, it is highly unlikely they could produce truly commercial-grade productions any time soon.  And why should they?  That's what DAWs are designed to do.

There is already the Momentum app that cakewalk put out as well. I would guess that came along with Sonar?
Also I imagine bandlab is looking to upgrade or add a tier to their product.

Hill62
There is already the Momentum app that cakewalk put out as well. I would guess that came along with Sonar?
Also I imagine bandlab is looking to upgrade or add a tier to their product.

my guess is that momentum will be tweaked to use the bandlab servers rather than the one it did originally

Hill62
There is already the Momentum app that cakewalk put out as well. I would guess that came along with Sonar?
Also I imagine bandlab is looking to upgrade or add a tier to their product.

Did Cakewalk actually write (or acquire the entire rights to) Momentum?  I had the distinct impression that they were simply licensing the thing they wanted to brand as Momentum from another supplier.  And then Gibson pulled the plug.  If it was just a licensing deal, that probably wouldn't go to Bandlab.  Plus, Bandlab already has an app that sounds a lot like "Momentum."  Is that where Cakewalk got Momentum in the first place, by any chance?

yeah i think noel did it

(and bandlab is currently all web-based yah, no local vsts etc?)
 

Meng has said it will be a desktop DAW. He did not say it would be integrated with their cloud based DAW. People keep missing or forgetting this.
 
What makes sense to me is that they wanted Sonar as a stand-alone DAW for those who need/want that. If they combine it with their cloud-based DAW, then they only have one product. This way they have two. They're covered both ways. Makes sense.
 
 

let's wait and see, won't be long now

michael diemer
What makes sense to me is that they wanted Sonar as a stand-alone DAW for those who need/want that. If they combine it with their cloud-based DAW, then they only have one product. This way they have two. They're covered both ways. Makes sense.
 

I would look at it slightly differently.  There are some real limits what is practical to do on a cloud/network-based platform.  I see that stuff targeting songwriters rather than "producers" per se.  The desktop-based DAW is targeted at commercial-grade production.  I believe there is an opportunity to build bridges between these platforms, while keeping them as distinctly separate products.  The web stuff would target the creative and spontaneous.  The desktop would take that and polish for commercial production.

I don't see why both can't happen. They surely can use tech from Sonar in BandLab since they now own it. For instance a BandLab Pro Channel? But they can also both remain distinct and separate products. Maybe one day it will be a "BandLab powered by Sonar" type of thing ... not that they would ever name it as such.
 
I did a little more experimenting last night and still experienced some weirdness working with the tools in BandLab. But at least now I can sort of see what is going on. First off, I was definitely using Chrome as my browser. But when I tried to record live MIDI using my Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and my M-Audio controller, it records as if the sustain pedal is constantly engaged. Yesterday I described it (above) as "overlapping notes", but I can see now what is going on. Anytime I load a synth into a track and hit record all my MIDI notes are stacked up and all play constantly. They just keep building up and never disengage until I hit mute or delete the track.
 
I'm still trying to determine if there is a simple fix for this on my end or if this is just how it's going to be for me on BandLab with my current equipment. If so, I can employ some of these workarounds we have been discussing like bringing in tracks from Sonar.