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  • Midi - should it go or should it stay ? (p.4)
2018/02/28 17:10:14
Brian Walton
jude77
Man what a question!!  Asking if SONAR should keep midi is liking asking if the Louvre should keep the Mona Lisa. 


If you have ever been to the Louvre you would know that it would both survive and thrive without the Mona Lisa.  
2018/02/28 17:12:30
Mesh
Don't forget, guitarists also get to use Midi in a very special way without giving up the guitar.....
 

2018/02/28 17:16:43
Sidroe
I am a very heavy midi user and was the OP of one of the longest threads on this forum asking to fix notation problems in the staff view. The main reason i stick with Sonar is those two features.
2018/02/28 17:23:26
Zargg
I use MIDI in every project. Can't do without it.
As mentioned earlier, I haven't found a DAW I couldn't do my kind of MIDI work in.
My needs aren't massive.
All the best.
2018/02/28 17:28:54
Sidroe
I do agree that Cubase does have better handling of notation but i use Notion ReWired to Sonar and it does what i need.
2018/02/28 17:46:18
WallyG
dcumpian
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All of the other DAWs have decent midi capabilities. Reaper has come a long way in the last few years, as has Studio One. Both are missing some advanced midi editing capabilities, but make up for it in other areas....



I'm both an audio and a heavy MIDI guy. I switched to Studio One when Sonar development bit the dust. I personally find Studio One's MIDI superior to Sonar. I've heard people bash Studio One's MIDI capabilities, but when I posted "WHY" on the SO site, no one could give specifics. Plenty of SO users love it, but NO specifics. SYSEDIT? Don't use it.
 
What in your opinion does SO miss some advanced MIDI editing capabilities?
 
Thanks,
 
Walt
 
 
2018/02/28 18:29:37
SandlinJohn
WallyG
I'm both an audio and a heavy MIDI guy. I switched to Studio One when Sonar development bit the dust. I personally find Studio One's MIDI superior to Sonar. I've heard people bash Studio One's MIDI capabilities, but when I posted "WHY" on the SO site, no one could give specifics. Plenty of SO users love it, but NO specifics. SYSEDIT? Don't use it.
 
What in your opinion does SO miss some advanced MIDI editing capabilities?
 
Thanks,
 
Walt

 
I'm curious, Studio One being one of the alternative DAWs I haven't tried (Logic and ProTools round out that list), what about the SONAR MIDI is lacking relative to Studio One? Or, what about the Studio One MIDI isn't that is superior? Either way you want to look at it.
2018/02/28 18:38:29
mettelus
Not only is MIDI required for VSTis, but some VSTs also have MIDI components. Not developing would make more sense than dropping altogether (easier too if it came to such).
2018/02/28 19:06:05
Frank Harvey
jude77
Man what a question!!  Asking if SONAR should keep midi is liking asking if the Louvre should keep the Mona Lisa. 


Well put !!.... Sonar with No Midi ??? Laughable .... plus, even the so called ‘king of DAWS’ Pro Tools is still trying to catch up in this regard 🧐
2018/02/28 19:19:09
Jeff Evans
There is more about midi than its DAW midi features. I have been with Studio One for 7 years now and using its midi with a fairly powerful external hardware based setup.  I have got up to 10 hardware devices I can run in tandem with the DAW audio/soft synth side.  The hardware still sounds rather excellent and sublime in tandem with the audio quality of your DAW and the sound of its internal soft synths. 
 
Midi timing is very cool in Studio One.  I run a midi interface on its own USB port that is on a card plugged into a PCIe slot.  So its independent of everything else.  Its 8 midi ports connect to my 8 main synths.  
 
Sonar's midi timing to me feels like it changes when the audio side of the program is working super hard.  (e.g. CPU resources being pushed) I maybe wrong but I always found that the midi timing was somehow linked to what the audio is up to.  When pushed super hard, it seemed to change. 
 
Studio One is solid and tight no matter what the audio side of the system is up to.  It locks into the metronome real nice here.  All parts.  All my synths are on channel 1 and on each on their own port.  Often I am only getting one sound per synth as well.  This all rocks super nice for me.  Latency is super fast like this.  1mS or so! per instrument.
 
You can do some tricks too like put Studio One into record, setup a loop and loop and jump midi tracks on the fly. Adding in new data just for that track.  The synths will respond according to what track you land on.  For me this was the main reason I switched.  The gapless engine comes into play rather nicely when working with lots of hardware synths.  You can do multiple things while Studio One is in record or play.  When you land on a track you can jump out of record and rehearse, jump back into record and then add in new material.  Sonar cannot even attempt this.  Cubase and Logic would be able to do it though. 
 
The internal midi resolution is super high.  Recording and playing back really well and beautifully played non quantised parts with great accuracy is one thing Studio One does very well.  Advancing midi tracks timing wise by fine tuning is super easy and any latency due to when the sound hits its peak in terms of the grid can be compensated for very well. 
 
There are a ton of existing midi operations the can be performed on your recorded data.  More than what you actually need most of the time.  The Studio One midi editing and features all allow one to create a great sounding piece of music and in the end that is all that really counts.  It is missing some advanced features, but all the midi basics are there and they are solid.  The PRV view is beautiful and perfectly fine.  You can see note velocities and control data all at once.  You can edit multiple midi tracks at once.  Automating midi data is a breeze too. Future updates may add in more features. V4 is on the horizon and you can bet it will add in some nice things.
 
You can add in plugins like the free Cockos Rea stuff.  One of those free plugs is a midi librarian and can act as a library for any synth.  Sounds can be auditioned and loaded in and received back.  It  is handling SYSEX data for you and runs inside Studio One.  Midi preset definitions can be setup as well.  Its also free.  Midi editing features can also be bought and plugged into Studio One via plugins.  They have started creating their own with their existing 4 midi effects.  Incredible step sequencers can be added too. Build in the areas you need. 
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