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  • Midi - should it go or should it stay ? (p.5)
2018/02/28 19:22:46
Wookiee
No MIDI No SONAR simples.  It would make all my hardware and software synths redundant.
2018/02/28 19:22:47
Phoen1xPJ
MIDI is the heart and start of every song I do in SPlat. I record with my soft synths via MIDI only later mixing to audio. I can edit notes in MIDI... I sure can't do that in audio. There is no question that the venerable MIDI *must* go on!
2018/02/28 19:30:19
Jeff Evans
Although half my hardware synth stuff could connect via USB, I do it all through midi and it all just seems to work the best.  I have been doing it this way since 1985.  A decent midi patch bay/switcher  comes in handy along with your midi interface.  
 
I have 3 other external computers all being virtual instruments and I have midi interfaces all fitted to them as well.  They all play perfectly just like a hardware synth.  Midi handles all that communication for me.  And it does it effortlessly.  It is the simplest and most effective way to get a bunch of external computers all playing along with your current arrangement. 
2018/02/28 20:17:48
slartabartfast
The key element with MIDI is that it allows you to program a sequencer that can control an enormous variety of instruments, many simultaneously in what sounds like real time. Without a sequencer, you do not have a DAW, you have an audio editor.
 
Without MIDI we would be pretty much into the Tower of Babel as far as electronic/digital instruments are concerned. In the early days you had a box with a few knobs and a lot of holes in it to plug patch cords into, and each instrument was a law unto itself. Unless you want to return to the days of playing everything live and recording the result, with limited ability to alter timing to match up pre-recorded parts, then something like MIDI is needed. If you had to load a separate driver for each softsynth that would translate commands from each different controller it would rapidly become unwieldy. That is the way early MS DOS printers worked, each came with its own driver, and was useless without it. The cost saving alone in the ability to use pretty much any controller with pretty much any instrument are well worth the price of settling on a basic standard.
 
MIDI is not static. The MIDI over USB spec has greatly improved the number of channels and speed of transmission available. MIDI polyphonic expression, which was recently introduced, goes a long way toward getting past the limitations of variable note by note expression from the use of per channel controllers. Instruments are being developed that will no doubt take full advantage of that.
2018/02/28 20:33:09
dappa1
What a question lol
2018/02/28 20:39:18
Rasure
Midi is essential, IMO and I completely agree with Jeff, one of things I noticed in S1, the midi side of things is damn tight!
2018/02/28 20:44:13
Brian Walton
slartabartfast
The key element with MIDI is that it allows you to program a sequencer that can control an enormous variety of instruments, many simultaneously in what sounds like real time. Without a sequencer, you do not have a DAW, you have an audio editor.
 


You can still have a Digital Audio Workstation without MIDI.  
You have digital recording, mixing, effects, console, etc all without the need for MIDI.  
 
MIDI dramatically adds to the capabilities of the DAW, but it is not a pre-requisite to function as a digital audio workstation.  
 
I wasn't' even using MIDI until a few years ago when the VSTi could actually hang with hardware sound quality.  
2018/02/28 21:28:22
dcumpian
WallyG
dcumpian
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All of the other DAWs have decent midi capabilities. Reaper has come a long way in the last few years, as has Studio One. Both are missing some advanced midi editing capabilities, but make up for it in other areas....



I'm both an audio and a heavy MIDI guy. I switched to Studio One when Sonar development bit the dust. I personally find Studio One's MIDI superior to Sonar. I've heard people bash Studio One's MIDI capabilities, but when I posted "WHY" on the SO site, no one could give specifics. Plenty of SO users love it, but NO specifics. SYSEDIT? Don't use it.
 
What in your opinion does SO miss some advanced MIDI editing capabilities?
 
Thanks,
 
Walt
 
 




Mostly, the biggest difference is transparency and quick edits. In Sonar, I can see everything in a midi track pretty easily, In S1, it's less transparent. The smart tool in Sonar actually makes editing faster, though you can get fast with S1 with some judicious shortcuts. I bought S1 as well, and I've transferred all of my projects to S1 and I'm getting along just fine.
 
One thing where Sonar really has an advantage over S1 is multi-core processing. I'm still learning how to work around that...
 
Regards,
Dan
2018/02/28 21:52:05
slartabartfast
Brian Walton
slartabartfast
The key element with MIDI is that it allows you to program a sequencer that can control an enormous variety of instruments, many simultaneously in what sounds like real time. Without a sequencer, you do not have a DAW, you have an audio editor.
 


You can still have a Digital Audio Workstation without MIDI.  
You have digital recording, mixing, effects, console, etc all without the need for MIDI.  
 
MIDI dramatically adds to the capabilities of the DAW, but it is not a pre-requisite to function as a digital audio workstation.  
 
I wasn't' even using MIDI until a few years ago when the VSTi could actually hang with hardware sound quality.  




I do not see how any of the not MIDI features you mention are not part of an audio editor. If you were going to claim that you can have a DAW without a sequencer, then you would have a stronger argument if you had mentioned the addition of automation recording for those features. Audio editors these days usually have automation as well. Even something as simple as Audacity can do what you have listed under recorded automation, and I do not think anyone is claiming it is a full fledged DAW. The simplest audio editors can usually do basic effects and mixing. It is easier to define a sequencer, of which there are not many any more, by saying that it does not record and manipulate audio than it is to distinguish what the difference between an audio editor and a DAW are, but MIDI capability seems to be a good place to start.
2018/02/28 21:56:39
whattarush
MIDI is a must have for me as I still use a lot of hardware synths and modules plus it's needed to synchronize my MPC Renaissance that I use for drums and sequences. With that said. I hope the new "Bakers" if you will upgrade (or perhaps overhaul) their MIDI implementation. I stopped recording midi tracks in SONAR years ago because of the timing problems that I was constantly having which the MPC solves.
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