Is LANDR included in the new DAW formerly known as SONAR?

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Is LANDR included in the new DAW formerly known as SONAR?

The Bandlab site features "algorithmic mastering".  But the example they provided has source material that is very weak -- about -25 dB.  It sounds like they simply applied varying levels of MB compression.  I didn't hear anything in that example that sounded very sophisticated.  I believe Bandlab has been targeting a very casual user, not "recording studio" types.

I believe there is Sonar integration with LANDR, but you still have to have a LANDR account. (A paid LANDR account if you want any useful Masters.)

Yes, my Sonar Artist and Platinum have Landr integration, but I must admit that I opened an account with Landr and upload my tracks after bouncing the full mix from Sonar to my computer. It's usually quicker like that. You can also get a desktop app from Landr to drag and drop wav.s into for mastering. I use Landr as a reference from time to time, but since getting Izotope mastering tools I've stopped using it so much, so Landr integration would not be a deal breaker for me in any new DAW.

I used BandLab's automatic mastering feature on one of my sketches ... 
https://www.bandlab.com/irelevant/new-project-bfbf7 
Only 4 different and basic options, but I happy enough with the result. Think I went for the "Clarity option". 
 
I don't think it is realistic to think that the L###R option (which I wasn't aware of existed) will remain in Cakewalk, I guess it naturally would be redirected towards BandLab's similar feature ... which I assume still is under development.
Maybe there will be more options and sophistications for Cakewalk users ... ?

I'm grumpy again :)== yet another bloatware feature targeted at "non engineers" who think good well produced music can be done by a computer and the requirement to learn the trade is no longer necessary. 
End of grumpy mode. 
 
Seriosly, if your sngs areimportant to you and you don;t feel you have the chops for mastering, there are real humans who will do this for you at a very reasonable price. On this forum as example we have CJ. 

Cactus Music
I'm grumpy again :)== yet another bloatware feature targeted at "non engineers" who think good well produced music can be done by a computer and the requirement to learn the trade is no longer necessary. 
End of grumpy mode. 
 
Seriosly, if your sngs areimportant to you and you don;t feel you have the chops for mastering, there are real humans who will do this for you at a very reasonable price. On this forum as example we have CJ. 

I generally agree though there are better companies like Izotope that have created products that can get very good results.  
 
I was shocked after doing some testing with it.  For those that are new to the process it can be a great tool to get reasonable results.  For people where music is just a hobby, it is a great option, IMO.  
 
However, not impressed with LANDAR and absolutely did not like the fact it was bloatware in Sonar that only fully functions with an extra cost.  Hoping it isn't included at all moving forward.

Cactus Music
I'm grumpy again :)== yet another bloatware feature targeted at "non engineers" who think good well produced music can be done by a computer and the requirement to learn the trade is no longer necessary. 
End of grumpy mode. 
 
Seriosly, if your sngs areimportant to you and you don;t feel you have the chops for mastering, there are real humans who will do this for you at a very reasonable price. On this forum as example we have CJ. 

^ This completely! I tried LANDR a couple of times a couple years ago and it does what anyone could do themselves. Mastering requires a pair of ears and a human brain.

Sorry to all who are fans of it - it won't be included and we do see it as bloatware and dislike the fact that it is only properly usable with an expensive subscription plan.

Fundamentally we also disagree with the principles of claiming that "AI" can master better than a human being. To us at BandLab, mastering is an art, not a science - a good mastering engineer would do a better job in 5 minutes.
 
We offer unlimited free algorithmic mastering because we have so much music being created and on less than optimal recording devices (especially with mass collaboration) and people creating playlists/collections with it that they need quick solutions to sound relatively decent. We've designed our own tech to make this not only acceptable in a general use case but to outperform some of the so-called "AI" services out there.

However, we allow users to upload their own masters on top of a revision if they use Ozone or professional mastering tools and we have another feature coming soon, which allows users to connect with professionals and studios - should you not have the skills yourself :-) We hope this would bring more awareness and opportunity to the world of mastering engineers out there, as well as empowering users to sound their best, when they have a track they would really like to take to the next level.
 
Hope that explanation helps! Here's a screenshot of mastering within BandLab (Web Only for now...)
 

 
:-)

p.s sorry if I come across too strong on this for some!