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  • Editing pitch from a video
2018/03/08 10:47:25
LENovik
I recently shot a video that included someone singing to a background of music. As I view the video, some of the voice notes are out of tune. Since it is a .MOV file, I believe I could tackle the job of trying to figure out how to upload this video into Sonar. I could then use Melodyne to correct the pitch. HOWEVER, I would think that if I raise or lower pitch in Melodyne, I'd be doing the same to the musical accompaniment--which is already in perfect tune, making it sound potentially worse. 
Has anyone tried this? Perhaps if I just change things for 1-2 seconds here and there, the instrumental part change would not be that noticeable. I do notice the abnormal vocal pitch IS very noticeable. 
While writing this, I can remember in the past using my joy stick to pitch shift a guitar type patch. Sometimes, instead of just the guitar patch being affected, several tracks were changed as I'd done this. That was VERY  noticeable, though, to be fair, I usually will pitch shift a whole note (2 half steps) when playing a guitar patch like this. I would think I wouldn't be pitch shifting with the voice more than a half step at a time.
Any thoughts? I tend to think the answer will be something like:  :Don't do this."
Thanks.
LNovik
2018/03/08 11:34:17
Songroom
Theoretically, if the backing instruments are in tune they shouldn't be affected. You'll need a polyphonic version of Melodyne (Editor or Studio)  to separate the individual vocals and instruments.
2018/03/08 11:51:40
gswitz
Theoretically is the key. I can't imagine i could do a good job of it. Certainly not a transparent job.
2018/03/08 13:18:45
highlandermak
I can share that it can be done however with a lot of time and patience. I had a mixdown where I did not have the studio tracks. I was able to pitch things in really well. I did run into a lot of phasing issues and you really get into the weeds of Melodyne. That being said I was looking at that one Mac program that can extract vocals however it is Mac only amd I'm pc based. Good luck
2018/03/08 15:11:19
LENovik
Thanks for those replies.
Song said: Theoretically, if the backing instruments are in tune they shouldn't be affected. You'll need a polyphonic version of Melodyne
The first part of your sentence confuses me: if the backing instruments are in tune, they shouldn't be affected. If I am, ie, raising the pitch of a sung note by 1/2 of a step, won't the  backing instrument for that 1 or 2 seconds also be raised?
That brings me to the 2nd part of your sentence. I do NOT have Studio or Editor version; I had just updated to another version--I believe it's called Assistant-- but not either of those.
SO, perhaps you are saying that I COULD do this Only if I had 1 of these polyphonic versions.
LNovik
 
2018/03/08 15:41:44
highlandermak
LENovik
Thanks for those replies.
Song said: Theoretically, if the backing instruments are in tune they shouldn't be affected. You'll need a polyphonic version of Melodyne
The first part of your sentence confuses me: if the backing instruments are in tune, they shouldn't be affected. If I am, ie, raising the pitch of a sung note by 1/2 of a step, won't the  backing instrument for that 1 or 2 seconds also be raised?
That brings me to the 2nd part of your sentence. I do NOT have Studio or Editor version; I had just updated to another version--I believe it's called Assistant-- but not either of those.
SO, perhaps you are saying that I COULD do this Only if I had 1 of these polyphonic versions.
LNovik
 


As long as you have a Melodyne version that works with polyphonics the software works on harmonics meaning you can hone in on elements of a mixdown. This allows the possibility of finding the voice element and getting it in pitch without impacting the instruments. The bass guitar is the easiest to fix I will say it can be a painful process and a labor of love. You will need to increase the sensitivity lvl and sometimes add notes which were not initially represented in the detection phase. I spent weeks on 1 song where I got 70% done but still not complete as I had to be productive on other projects. 
2018/03/08 18:16:49
Songroom
LENovik
SO, perhaps you are saying that I COULD do this Only if I had 1 of these polyphonic versions.
LNovik
 



It is possible to adjust each instrument individually with the Editor or Studio version, but it could take a lot of work. Celemony have a demo video in which they alter the vocal melody of an Adele track despite only having a stereo mix to work with. It's impressive, but there isn't too much going on and they have a perfect recording to use as a starting point.
 
This video shows the basics of the procedure...
Celemony Video
 
2018/03/08 18:27:50
Blogospherianman
I've done this very thing using the polyphonic version of melodyne. (Fixing 1 or more sung notes in a stereo file) Very handy tool to have! Tune just that one guitar string that drifted during your perfect take. Or when the steel guitar player plays a minor 7 instead of a minor 6 (drag the b7 down a half step) :) No offense to steel guitar players.
2018/03/08 18:32:07
Songroom
I used Melodyne to remove a 'ding' caused by a vocalist kicking the mic stand during a take. It worked a treat. (I now have a wall mounted, isolated mic stand) :-)
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