marled

Skyline_UK
... TheDAWFormerlyKnownAsSonar ...

I like that, lol!

That was a quote from Meng. I wish people would read his post especially his update titled update 03/03/18

cparmerlee

dappa1
 I also said some of the code will be revamped (why) because of the bugs that Sonar had previous. These I presume are the things that will be worked on.

I think it is a question of time scale.  Some of your comments seemed to imply you expected major changes and bug fixes with the initial launch.  I think they have been very clear that the priority is to get the product rebranded and launched.  This will probably involve minimal code changes, and nothing in the core of the product -- at the outset.  Of course, one hopes that there will be priority on bug fixes as the product proceeds after re-launch.
 
I do share your view about "old man's DAW."  I guess at 62, and a person who started hanging around studios when all they had was 4-track and 8-track tape with lots of ping-pong action for every production, I might quality as an old man.  But I hope to be walking this planet for another generation if I am lucky.  And I think there are major opportunities to come from migrating away from an emulation of the ancient hardware studios and to really embrace the universe of possibilities that come from a totally "in the box" solution.  In that respect, it is encouraging to see the ownership move from a company whose strategic vision was Phillips Electronics to the kinds of thins Bandlab does.
 
In particular, I visited the Bandlab website and didn't see a single screen shot that was trying to depict some old piece of hardware that 99.9% of today's customers have never seen anyway.  It really is time to leave the 1970s hardware behind and embrace user interfaces that are directly connected with the task at hand and much easier to see than the fake brushed aluminum images and magic knobs that are poorly labeled and only understood through years of folklore.
 
Don't get too comfortable with anything, other than a casket.

But it is like in Nature, most of the changes prove that they're worse than the old stuff, so they die away right now! There is only a small percentage of changes that show real improvment!
Other does not always mean better!

marled

cparmerlee

dappa1
 I also said some of the code will be revamped (why) because of the bugs that Sonar had previous. These I presume are the things that will be worked on.

I think it is a question of time scale.  Some of your comments seemed to imply you expected major changes and bug fixes with the initial launch.  I think they have been very clear that the priority is to get the product rebranded and launched.  This will probably involve minimal code changes, and nothing in the core of the product -- at the outset.  Of course, one hopes that there will be priority on bug fixes as the product proceeds after re-launch.
 
I do share your view about "old man's DAW."  I guess at 62, and a person who started hanging around studios when all they had was 4-track and 8-track tape with lots of ping-pong action for every production, I might quality as an old man.  But I hope to be walking this planet for another generation if I am lucky.  And I think there are major opportunities to come from migrating away from an emulation of the ancient hardware studios and to really embrace the universe of possibilities that come from a totally "in the box" solution.  In that respect, it is encouraging to see the ownership move from a company whose strategic vision was Phillips Electronics to the kinds of thins Bandlab does.
 
In particular, I visited the Bandlab website and didn't see a single screen shot that was trying to depict some old piece of hardware that 99.9% of today's customers have never seen anyway.  It really is time to leave the 1970s hardware behind and embrace user interfaces that are directly connected with the task at hand and much easier to see than the fake brushed aluminum images and magic knobs that are poorly labeled and only understood through years of folklore.
 
Don't get too comfortable with anything, other than a casket.

But it is like in Nature, most of the changes prove that they're worse than the old stuff, so they die away right now! There is only a small percentage of changes that show real improvement!
Other does not always mean better!

Studio One3, Bitwig are relatively new and I guess they are here to stay. Studio One may even take over from Pro Tools as the industry standard, not everything that is old is better. Just that better stuff come out every day and then we start to reminisce about what was good for us. I would like the newly named DAW to progress and move forward and improve.

dappa1
It would be really sad if they are basing their new Flagship DAW based on the bugs that are still in the old DAW. I would expect some change to the code in its new form. I would not expect it to look similar but have similar features that we all know and love. But I do expect it to be a NEW DAW. There would be no incentive for new customers if it is solely based on what we have already.

dappa1
Yes I have SPLAT I also paid for lifetime updates. I will be happy with the crossgrade. I also have Studio One 3 
So I guess I'm winning all the way around.
 
BTW. Brian Walton i am sharing ideas no need to be so touchy. However, in the future I would like to see a radical change in the way Sonar acts and performs. Don't you?
 

Many of your posts suggest an overhaul.  You say things like "new DAW"  most people would argue that Sonar 2017.05 and 2017.07 did not constitute a new DAW, but an update.  
 
That is what most of us expect this new product to be generally speaking.  Not a GUI overhaul, not a bunch of major new workflows, or major changes to the code.  These are all assets to what Sonar was, it would be foolish to change them.  Not to mention impossible in a short amount of time.  It is safe to say you don't work as a Programmer.  
 
As for the question would you like to see a radical change in the way sonar acts and performs....tweaks for it to run more efficiently (such as the load balancing idea they came up with), of course, but I don't experience a bunch of bugs or inefficiencies in my workflow using the product, so why would I want a major change?   
 
I certainly don't want to learn a brand new system, otherwise I would have jumped ship with the cross grade offers that were being thrown around.  
 
I expect future development, not a complete overhaul that throws away the last 7 years of progress with the Skylight interface, which is class leading, IMO.  

Brian Walton

dappa1
It would be really sad if they are basing their new Flagship DAW based on the bugs that are still in the old DAW. I would expect some change to the code in its new form. I would not expect it to look similar but have similar features that we all know and love. But I do expect it to be a NEW DAW. There would be no incentive for new customers if it is solely based on what we have already.

dappa1
Yes I have SPLAT I also paid for lifetime updates. I will be happy with the crossgrade. I also have Studio One 3 
So I guess I'm winning all the way around.
 
BTW. Brian Walton i am sharing ideas no need to be so touchy. However, in the future I would like to see a radical change in the way Sonar acts and performs. Don't you?
 

Many of your posts suggest an overhaul.  You say things like "new DAW"  most people would argue that Sonar 2017.05 and 2017.07 did not constitute a new DAW, but an update.  
 
That is what most of us expect this new product to be generally speaking.  Not a GUI overhaul, not a bunch of major new workflows, or major changes to the code.  These are all assets to what Sonar was, it would be foolish to change them.  Not to mention impossible in a short amount of time.  It is safe to say you don't work as a Programmer.  
 
As for the question would you like to see a radical change in the way sonar acts and performs....tweaks for it to run more efficiently (such as the load balancing idea they came up with), of course, but I don't experience a bunch of bugs or inefficiencies in my workflow using the product, so why would I want a major change?   
 
I certainly don't want to learn a brand new system, otherwise I would have jumped ship with the cross grade offers that were being thrown around.  
 
I expect future development, not a complete overhaul that throws away the last 7 years of progress with the Skylight interface, which is class leading, IMO.  

Brian, Brian, Brian...have you read Meng's update. This is what I am referring to when I put up this post. Rebranding to some is classified as new with a new signature doesnt mean the content will change but they will be some variation. In the future they will be changes. Obviously if Meng is saying they maybe a cross grade withing four weeks then it goes with out saying that it is not an overhaul. Hence I asked the question in the FIRST PLACE will it include new VST's and Plugins. They may be additional but I do expect a new DAW to not be as buggy as the old one. 

Brian, are you scared of change?

My only real issue with this thread is the title itself, since it announces things that contradict official statements. "New," "ready," and "oven" are not applicable as far as I have read to date, more a re-branding and integration to a limited level as much of this thread has pointed out. To promulgate that this is something radically different is just going to disappoint.

dappa1
Who is saying we getting a brand new DAW I didn't say that. Reread what I said...

dappa1
I do expect it to be a NEW DAW

New Name, a New company, equals New...

Remember that there were always changes and bug fixes happening in parallel. When they were ready, they became part of that month's update. There were some changes planned for the update that never happened, so I think it's a pretty safe assumption they'll see the light of day now because they were almost ready to go.
 
If you think about what Cakewalk used to accomplish in a month, and that it will be over a month before the rebranded version appears, I suspect the changes will be on a similar level to one of the monthly updates. But again, no insider knowledge...just speculating about the future based on the past.