dappa1
Bandlab will allow Sonar users to crossgrade to an old DAW for free. A familiar DAW for all those old ones who don't like change. It will not move in a new direction and because those who have a stronghold will not allow the product to flourish cos they are stuck in their ways. Is that better 35mm?

Did you see each monthly update as a brand new DAW? I don't have anything against change or development. You seem to be having difficulty comprehending - father.

jafo360
Maybe I am missing it somewhere, but I still can not find any information about a permanent authorization code for Platinum for those of us using Command Center. Should I do an offline activation of my current software?

I don't think there has been anything specific mentioned about that, but the servers are staying up and I imagine the latest release will use the same system so I am sure we will be fine going forward.

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dappa1
Bandlab will allow Sonar users to crossgrade to an old DAW for free. A familiar DAW for all those old ones who don't like change. It will not move in a new direction and because those who have a stronghold will not allow the product to flourish cos they are stuck in their ways. Is that better 35mm?

Did you see each monthly update as a brand new DAW? I don't have anything against change or development. You seem to be having difficulty comprehending - father.

You are being silly now -Son

---- UPDATE 3/3/2018 ----
 
Just wanted to drop everybody a note for the start of the weekend. Thank you again for the words of encouragement and support, it means a lot to the team and gets everyone excited! A lot of progress has been made this week and I'm looking forward to being able to share details with all of you officially in the coming weeks :-)
 
In the past week, a lot of things have now been finalized and I'm excited to say that this will allow us to get the first iteration of our the new flagship product into circulation much sooner than expected. What I can confirm today (and apologies to those who are big fans of it) is that it won't be called SONAR.
 
For the time being, we can all refer to it as TDDFKAS (The Desktop DAW Formerly Known As SONAR)  until we have a proper announcement about it.
 
Though I am a big fan of the name, I mentioned in my first note that there are some issues with continuing to use the name SONAR. For those who want to know why - apart from the problems with SEO, the complexity in the way the IP was transacted (not taking on the ongoing company) means that it could be altogether too confusing to have SONAR as the name for people who had done business with the previous company as well as in parallel with the legacy site which we would like to keep up for reference.
 
The plus side of this, however, is that the new installation will not affect your older versions of SPLAT (not the new name haha).
 
We've already got a firm timeline in mind internally already and are prepping our press releases & announcements which will be within the next 4-6 weeks, if not sooner. Can't wait to share with you all (especially existing SONAR users) what lies ahead for our beloved DAW - in case you've missed my posts around the place, it will absolutely be a desktop application so please don't worry about it becoming (cloud/web)-only. 
 
For those who don't read...post from Meng (dappa1)

I'm sure Meng and crew are putting together a product "roadmap" for the yet-to-be-named DAW... we'll get it when it's ready and not before...
 
You yapper-heads can carry on speculating....

dappa1

Brian Walton

dappa1
It would be really sad if they are basing their new Flagship DAW based on the bugs that are still in the old DAW. I would expect some change to the code in its new form. I would not expect it to look similar but have similar features that we all know and love. But I do expect it to be a NEW DAW. There would be no incentive for new customers if it is solely based on what we have already.

dappa1
Yes I have SPLAT I also paid for lifetime updates. I will be happy with the crossgrade. I also have Studio One 3 
So I guess I'm winning all the way around.
 
BTW. Brian Walton i am sharing ideas no need to be so touchy. However, in the future I would like to see a radical change in the way Sonar acts and performs. Don't you?
 

Many of your posts suggest an overhaul.  You say things like "new DAW"  most people would argue that Sonar 2017.05 and 2017.07 did not constitute a new DAW, but an update.  
 
That is what most of us expect this new product to be generally speaking.  Not a GUI overhaul, not a bunch of major new workflows, or major changes to the code.  These are all assets to what Sonar was, it would be foolish to change them.  Not to mention impossible in a short amount of time.  It is safe to say you don't work as a Programmer.  
 
As for the question would you like to see a radical change in the way sonar acts and performs....tweaks for it to run more efficiently (such as the load balancing idea they came up with), of course, but I don't experience a bunch of bugs or inefficiencies in my workflow using the product, so why would I want a major change?   
 
I certainly don't want to learn a brand new system, otherwise I would have jumped ship with the cross grade offers that were being thrown around.  
 
I expect future development, not a complete overhaul that throws away the last 7 years of progress with the Skylight interface, which is class leading, IMO.  

Brian, Brian, Brian...have you read Meng's update. This is what I am referring to when I put up this post. Rebranding to some is classified as new with a new signature doesnt mean the content will change but they will be some variation. In the future they will be changes. Obviously if Meng is saying they maybe a cross grade withing four weeks then it goes with out saying that it is not an overhaul. Hence I asked the question in the FIRST PLACE will it include new VST's and Plugins. They may be additional but I do expect a new DAW to not be as buggy as the old one. 

Of course I read his post, and I believe I read it more carefully than you did given your posts about the change in code that pretty clearly overlooked what he was talking about.  
 
I think very few people would call a rebranding "new."  Even your edited OP, suggests you want truly new things...and bright shinny things.  
 
Again, I get a strong feeling you don't understand coding.  The vast majority of "bugs" are still going to be in the new platform as that is part of the code.  Each of the previous monthly updates worked to try to address and eliminate a few of them.  It is completely unreasonable to think that is going to magically disappear when they re-name the product and change just a few bits of code.  (I'll say it again, I don't find Sonar to be buggy).  I also don't expect an overhaul or many new plugins, only perhaps something Sonar previously had in the works but didn't put out there yet.  In time, they will likely develop some, but this "new DAW" you speak of isn't going to have a bunch of new stuff along those lines out of the gate.  They didn't hire on the entire previous Cakewalk team.  
 
I'm actually expecting a less complete package with less 3rd party things in the box.  That stuff drives the cost of the product up.  But the core will likely be basically the same thing to a very large extent, and that is a great thing.

Brian Walton
I'm actually expecting a less complete package with less 3rd party things in the box.  That stuff drives the cost of the product up.  But the core will likely be basically the same thing to a very large extent, and that is a great thing.

I am also expecting the same.  I understand vendors have a motivation to bundle a bunch of plug-ins so that they can claim "a complete music production system right out of the box."  But the reality is that while I use some of the Cakewalk VSTs and VSTis, I really don't use much of the others.  I use mostly Izotope for the effects, and a few Waves plugs for specific things.  I think most of the long-term SONAR users are in a similar situation, having gone with other plug-ins they are most comfortable with.
 
I thought Cakewalk was looking in a positive direction when they wanted to develop the tools to collect musical ideas outside of the DAW directly.  This seems like the kind of thing Bandlab is involved with.  I'd expect to see some of these things integrate with SONAR (or whatever it will be called), with less of the new development being "DAW features" per se.
 
Also note that Bandlab is also a product distribution channel, primarily for Asia.  That would seem to have some implications beyond what SONAR has been in the past.

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jafo360
Maybe I am missing it somewhere, but I still can not find any information about a permanent authorization code for Platinum for those of us using Command Center. Should I do an offline activation of my current software?

I don't think there has been anything specific mentioned about that, but the servers are staying up and I imagine the latest release will use the same system so I am sure we will be fine going forward.

Thanks for the reply.
Statements like "it will absolutely be a desktop application" are clear and concise. Statements like "will not affect" are some what vague compared to something like " older versions will still be authorized for use".
 
I just wanted to be certain I was not missing anything. There are many statements, posts, and replies to read through.
Thanks again.
 
 
 

I may have missed it, but I haven't seen anything definite about Melodyne, (ARA), being included in the new version of the "DAW Formerly Known as Sonar".  This is a big issue for me.  I do have the full 'stand-alone' version of Melodyne Studio, but ARA is very important to me going forward.
 
Any info?  I do hope there are talks with Celemony happening.
 
Thanks.

I'm pretty sure that there are no licensing costs in supporting ARA; it's just a protocol that developers can suppport if they want to. The only licensing issue would be around bundling Melodyne itself.