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2018/02/26 13:26:28
Muziekschuur at home
Since Sonar is local I wondered if Bandlab Sonar will be local too? Since I require that for my productions!
2018/02/26 14:21:08
CTStump
My understanding is that they intend to keep it as it is and expand on that. So yes tentively as a desktop application.

Best thing to do is carry on as usual and wait and see, pretty soon more info will surface as decisions are made and release is eminent.
2018/02/26 15:19:02
pwalpwal
they haven't promised anything specific yet, as they are still in the migration process, so it will be interesting to see what comes out the other end... their current business model seems to be all social-media/sharing/web-oriented (the current focus for digital business, especially start-ups), so personally i'd be surprised if there's a standalone desktop version... i reckon at least you'll be logging on when using the app, but who knows?
 
/utter-speculation
2018/02/26 15:51:28
CTStump
pwalpwal
they haven't promised anything specific yet, as they are still in the migration process, so it will be interesting to see what comes out the other end... their current business model seems to be all social-media/sharing/web-oriented (the current focus for digital business, especially start-ups), so personally i'd be surprised if there's a standalone desktop version... i reckon at least you'll be logging on when using the app, but who knows?
 
/utter-speculation


That's what you got from the message from here?

http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=3730905&fp=1

I believe the skepticism may be warranted but it looks to me like that isn't the direction being proposed. Wait and see I guess.
2018/02/26 16:00:49
pwalpwal
CTStump
pwalpwal
they haven't promised anything specific yet, as they are still in the migration process, so it will be interesting to see what comes out the other end... their current business model seems to be all social-media/sharing/web-oriented (the current focus for digital business, especially start-ups), so personally i'd be surprised if there's a standalone desktop version... i reckon at least you'll be logging on when using the app, but who knows?
 
/utter-speculation


That's what you got from the message from here?

http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=3730905&fp=1

I believe the skepticism may be warranted but it looks to me like that isn't the direction being proposed. Wait and see I guess.



sure, i don't take anything definite from that post, apart from that they're "in the process of transition"  and maybe "you guys will be the first to know"
 
where do you get "they intend to keep it as it is and expand on that" from?
2018/02/26 16:37:48
35mm
I don't think there is any point speculating about it changing platforms at this stage. Sonar is currently a Windows app and it would take a lot of work to convert it into a cloud app that could actually work.
 
I suspect one of the first new features will be a big, bright button that says, 'Upload track to Bandlab'. I would also suspect that they would ultimately want Sonar to be cross-platform and available to Mac users - perhaps one way of doing that would be to have Sonar running on Windows servers and accessible as a cloud-based app, but again there are a lot of major technical issues with that - I mean, imagine the latency issues, 3rd party plugin issues and the vast amount of processing power, memory etc required to run lots of instances of Sonar with potentially big projects, without regular fatal crashes.
 
They already have a cloud-based system. I would imagine some of the features from Sonar may find their way into that, but Sonar will remain a commercial, standalone, dedicated software for serious producers and musicians as it is currently. There is no point panicking about changes that may never happen or speculating about things until Bandlab announce their plans.
2018/02/26 16:55:37
CTStump
I 2nd that, and move to move on....
2018/02/26 17:06:59
pwalpwal
yeah, fwiw i posted this on the beyond forum
 

fwiw, it could be as simple as a bandlab version of the "export to gobbler" or wtf it was

 
but still i'm interested where you got "they intend to keep it as it is and expand on that" from? it certainly wasn't in the post you linked
 
speculation is human nature, it'll be interesting to see where we all are in a year or two :-)
2018/02/26 17:09:06
dlesaux
Here's what Meng from BandLab stated on their announcement page: "..our steadfast goal is that former SONAR owners (of all versions) will not need to spend any money to cross-over/cross-grade to the future flagship product."
 
In my opinion, Sonar will not look anything like it does today however its code and functionality will be integrated within their Cloud based platform (i.e. their flagship product). But again, that's only speculation on my end, not fact..
2018/02/26 18:05:02
MandolinPicker
Something tells me this wouldn't have happened had the bakers not been working on Momentum. Looking at the BandLab web site, it is clear that they are seeking out the younger generation that lives, plays and does everything through their phone. Momentum (as I understood it) was seeking out the same user group, to provide a bridge through Momentum to SONAR.

Just have a feeling that this may be the angle BandLab will take. Incorporate code from Momentum into the current BandLab iPhone and Android software that links back to SONAR. While the standard BandLab free software on the phone is good, when these young musicians are ready to go to a more 'Professional' level you can bring SONAR up and pull everything in and work on your music in a professional atmosphere.

I would also expect SONAR to start to incorporate some of the social media/collaboration aspect of the current BandLab software. Given what BandLab is already doing, can you imagine a video conference link to the folks you are collaborating with, directly from within SONAR? They hear (and see) what you hear, can discuss how to improve the mix, etc in near real time. They are already looking at changing the Cakewalk forum software to what BandLab is currently using (a good move in my opinion). Incorporating direct links from SONAR to the forum for help and assistance could be another social media aspect. It sounds like BandLab wants to keep as many existing Cakewalk forum users around, as Meng has been interacting with us on the forum a lot in just the past 48-72 hours. That is a huge knowledge base of users, and most folks on the forum have shown a willingness in the past to help out the new folks.

Also I would not be surprised to see direct links to the BandLab online Mastering software from within SONAR. Wouldn't be surprised to see it come with a few more options available only with the 'SONAR Professional' version (the last version of SONAR has links to LANDR Mastering, so I would imagine that will go by the wayside).

I can see where having a group of users looking for the 'next step' or the 'next level' would be a prime target to upgrade to SONAR. Providing them an 'easy pathway' is a no-brainer. If this works out, it could place SONAR in a unique position in today's DAW market, and might force others to play catch-up. To me it seems the folks at BandLab are attempting to offer a musical 'cradle to grave' solution - from easy input on the phone, through their own hardware interfaces, collaboration, import into a professional level DAW, provide mastering options and direct uploading to the social media presence. Also wouldn't be surprised if they are looking at another level up that helps musicians 'sell' their music, promote their career, etc.

That's my 2-cents, and probably not worth that much!
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