sharke

Kamikaze
5. happened because the licensed expired.
 
So easy, then name 20. Even then would it be the reason that Sonar was unstable. Are you supporting Cactus's claim that this is the reason that Sonar is unstable? 

I have this sneaking suspicion that the ARA integration introduced a lot of weird problems. I remember Noel saying that at least some of the "plugins losing their settings" problems were related to ARA, and as most are probably aware (from my incessant but justified whining about it), I've had problems with Sonar hosing plugin settings to the point where the program became an unusable turkey for my purposes. I have also seen a lot of crashes related to Melodyne clips being in projects. And I still have a huge problem in large projects whereby moving the playback head a long distance in the project and hitting play causes Sonar to either crash or hang for a couple of minutes. All of these things are in some way linked to the project timeline, which of course now has a relationship with ARA. Just a thought. I've seen plugin settings like EQ bands change by doing things as simple as hitting play or moving the cursor, without any automation envelope in existence linked to the parameter. 
 
I've also seen EQ settings change by simply turning the ProChannel in which the EQ is hosted on or off, so perhaps the introduction of the ProChannel brought some problems with it too. If Sonar is to lose its reputation as being buggy and unstable, all of these issues are going to have to be addressed once and for all. 
 

The only crashes I experienced with Splat were always when I was working with Melodyne. Yes, I assume that the ARA implementation could be one reason for instability. So when working with Melodyne I got used to save the whole time after each couple of steps. Like that I never lost a lot of work again.

"So when working with Melodyne I got used to save the whole time after each couple of steps. Like that I never lost a lot of work again." 
 
This is so true. I find if I save and save and save Sonar Platinum does not crash. I don't have to do this in HS. One should not have to save their work every 6 edits, but that's sort of the workaround and you just suck it up or use HS. 

Studio 1 is much more stable with Melodyne for me than Sonar ever was. Hasn’t crashed yet, and it’s native tempo mapping and audio quantizing is way more intuitive than Sonar’s was for me. I miss Sonar’s region fx but it’s not a show stopper. I could never make audiosnap work fluidly...

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

mumpcake
I never liked the way they implemented FX Chains.  I never really wanted a container.   Maybe they could implement chains so that dragging them onto the FX bin gives you the container, Shift-Dragging just drops the effects.

 
ahem it it already does this :) Shift dragging an fx chain unpacks the individual effects. Most people prefer keeping them intact as a single object however since its much easier to manage and move the chain as a single entity in the fx rack. Unpacking them prevents you from doing this or using the global controls for a chain.

 
I don't seem to have the ability to drag or shift-drag with effect chain presets.  I can, however, open them through the menu and get an un-bundled chain if I hold Shift while clicking the Open button.

 
>>I also really like how Studio One and Bitwig have Instrument presets which allow you to drag an instrument and effect chain onto a track to replace what is already there. 
Again this is already available. We have had replace instrument available for years.
Its not done via drag and drop in this case. Just right click a synth track and choose replace synth or access it from the dropdown in the synth rack. If you have a default preset set up it will choose that.
 

 
I am aware of the Replace Synth feature, but as you pointed out you can't replace a particular instrument preset (just the default) and it doesn't support drag and drop.
 

After reading many, many, many of these posts about this and that, wtf-ever!!!  Why did so many people feel they had to "jump ship"?  In my opinion - dumb.  You could no longer use Sonar with its vast array of features?  Huh?  You needed more features?  You needed updates? What?  Why was it so necessary to IMMEDIATELY find something different, to abandon years of learning Sonar, to go learn something else.
 
Basically my complaint here boils down to a simple question:  Are you doing MUSIC, or are you screwing around with a computer doing nothing constructively creative?  My guess is the latter.
 
Sonar or Cubase or whatever WILL NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER MUSICIAN.  All this worry about technical crap will not make you more creative.  You are either talented, or you are not.  All the Melodyne in the world will not make you a world-class vocalist.
 
Sonar software works totally fine with or without the Cakewalk company being there, or not.

GregGraves
After reading many, many, many of these posts about this and that, wtf-ever!!!  Why did so many people feel they had to "jump ship"?  In my opinion - dumb.  You could no longer use Sonar with its vast array of features?  Huh?  You needed more features?  You needed updates? What?  Why was it so necessary to IMMEDIATELY find something different, to abandon years of learning Sonar, to go learn something else.
 
Basically my complaint here boils down to a simple question:  Are you doing MUSIC, or are you screwing around with a computer doing nothing constructively creative?  My guess is the latter.
 
Sonar or Cubase or whatever WILL NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER MUSICIAN.  All this worry about technical crap will not make you more creative.  You are either talented, or you are not.  All the Melodyne in the world will not make you a world-class vocalist.
 
Sonar software works totally fine with or without the Cakewalk company being there, or not.

Well, for many (including me) Sonar is beset with bugs and instability problems and does not perform well at all when compared to certain other DAW's, and we have since discovered that certain other DAW's allow us to be much more creative because they actually work properly and we're not fighting against bugs and instability when we should be making music. I'm porting projects over to Reaper and it performs so much better, without any shadow of a doubt. Check out the number of comments people have posted saying that their experience with S1 has blown them away and they wished they switched earlier.

Why would this bother you? You seem very emotional about it. If Sonar performs well enough for you then fine. If people have problems with it and are enjoying a better DAW then that's fine too. Music software is not a cult or a political ideology and there is no "loyalty" involved - people have been expanding their world view and checking out other alternatives, and liking what they see. If this angers you then perhaps YOU should try being creative instead of "screwing around" worrying about what program other people are using.

I hope that the new owners allow Noel and the team to roll their sleeves up and really set about fixing the problems that should have been fixed a long time ago, something which they clearly didn't have the time or resources to do under the dysfunctional ownership of Gibson. In the meantime, just calm down and stop obsessing over which tools others are using to be creative.

GregGraves
After reading many, many, many of these posts about this and that, wtf-ever!!!  Why did so many people feel they had to "jump ship"?  In my opinion - dumb.  You could no longer use Sonar with its vast array of features?  Huh?  You needed more features?  You needed updates? What?  Why was it so necessary to IMMEDIATELY find something different, to abandon years of learning Sonar, to go learn something else.
 
Basically my complaint here boils down to a simple question:  Are you doing MUSIC, or are you screwing around with a computer doing nothing constructively creative?  My guess is the latter.
 
Sonar or Cubase or whatever WILL NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER MUSICIAN.  All this worry about technical crap will not make you more creative.  You are either talented, or you are not.  All the Melodyne in the world will not make you a world-class vocalist.
 
Sonar software works totally fine with or without the Cakewalk company being there, or not.

Ridiculous. Technology keeps changing and being advanced. Seems highly likely that either a 3rd party plugin update or Windows update would break something. Plus people paid for lifetime updates and didn't get them. Plenty of reasons to jump ship.

rlared

GregGraves
After reading many, many, many of these posts about this and that, wtf-ever!!!  Why did so many people feel they had to "jump ship"?  In my opinion - dumb.  You could no longer use Sonar with its vast array of features?  Huh?  You needed more features?  You needed updates? What?  Why was it so necessary to IMMEDIATELY find something different, to abandon years of learning Sonar, to go learn something else.
 
Basically my complaint here boils down to a simple question:  Are you doing MUSIC, or are you screwing around with a computer doing nothing constructively creative?  My guess is the latter.
 
Sonar or Cubase or whatever WILL NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER MUSICIAN.  All this worry about technical crap will not make you more creative.  You are either talented, or you are not.  All the Melodyne in the world will not make you a world-class vocalist.
 
Sonar software works totally fine with or without the Cakewalk company being there, or not.

Ridiculous. Technology keeps changing and being advanced. Seems highly likely that either a 3rd party plugin update or Windows update would break something. Plus people paid for lifetime updates and didn't get them. Plenty of reasons to jump ship.

Erm, yes they did.
Nobody really foresaw such a short lifetime, but it was for the lifetime of SONAR as we knew it.

Funny how everyone was saying how great Win 10 was, and how Sonar is so unstable.   My Sonar is on a dedicated Win7 machine that I never intend on updating.  I rarely have a crash.

Great, so go make some music.  You seem a bit grumpy.