I have never seen so many crashes at the latest version of sonar platinum when working with meaty editing using the Staff view and then reviewing the play back. Maybe a minute more or less the fatal crash Services personally I think all the lifetime membership members or getting a screwing
Correct me if I’m wrong since purchasing lifetime upgrades my sonar platinum having the latest version should be an out right ownership not needing a server of cakewalk to operate in the future

Sharke I agree why be whining about why other people switched. Difficulty for me is Studio One 3 seems effortless when I go back to Sonar it doesn't feel as fluid. I just close it up and go back to Studio One...3

Bristol_Jonesey

rlared

GregGraves
After reading many, many, many of these posts about this and that, wtf-ever!!!  Why did so many people feel they had to "jump ship"?  In my opinion - dumb.  You could no longer use Sonar with its vast array of features?  Huh?  You needed more features?  You needed updates? What?  Why was it so necessary to IMMEDIATELY find something different, to abandon years of learning Sonar, to go learn something else.

Basically my complaint here boils down to a simple question:  Are you doing MUSIC, or are you screwing around with a computer doing nothing constructively creative?  My guess is the latter.

Sonar or Cubase or whatever WILL NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER MUSICIAN.  All this worry about technical crap will not make you more creative.  You are either talented, or you are not.  All the Melodyne in the world will not make you a world-class vocalist.

Sonar software works totally fine with or without the Cakewalk company being there, or not.

Ridiculous. Technology keeps changing and being advanced. Seems highly likely that either a 3rd party plugin update or Windows update would break something. Plus people paid for lifetime updates and didn't get them. Plenty of reasons to jump ship.

Erm, yes they did.
Nobody really foresaw such a short lifetime, but it was for the lifetime of SONAR as we knew it.

Yes what I should have said was "people paid for lifetime updates and got them, but it was a short lifetime".  Thanks for correcting me.  
 

sharke

GregGraves
After reading many, many, many of these posts about this and that, wtf-ever!!!  Why did so many people feel they had to "jump ship"?  In my opinion - dumb.  You could no longer use Sonar with its vast array of features?  Huh?  You needed more features?  You needed updates? What?  Why was it so necessary to IMMEDIATELY find something different, to abandon years of learning Sonar, to go learn something else.
 
Basically my complaint here boils down to a simple question:  Are you doing MUSIC, or are you screwing around with a computer doing nothing constructively creative?  My guess is the latter.
 
Sonar or Cubase or whatever WILL NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER MUSICIAN.  All this worry about technical crap will not make you more creative.  You are either talented, or you are not.  All the Melodyne in the world will not make you a world-class vocalist.
 
Sonar software works totally fine with or without the Cakewalk company being there, or not.

Well, for many (including me) Sonar is beset with bugs and instability problems and does not perform well at all when compared to certain other DAW's, and we have since discovered that certain other DAW's allow us to be much more creative because they actually work properly and we're not fighting against bugs and instability when we should be making music. I'm porting projects over to Reaper and it performs so much better, without any shadow of a doubt. Check out the number of comments people have posted saying that their experience with S1 has blown them away and they wished they switched earlier.

Why would this bother you? You seem very emotional about it. If Sonar performs well enough for you then fine. If people have problems with it and are enjoying a better DAW then that's fine too. Music software is not a cult or a political ideology and there is no "loyalty" involved - people have been expanding their world view and checking out other alternatives, and liking what they see. If this angers you then perhaps YOU should try being creative instead of "screwing around" worrying about what program other people are using.

I hope that the new owners allow Noel and the team to roll their sleeves up and really set about fixing the problems that should have been fixed a long time ago, something which they clearly didn't have the time or resources to do under the dysfunctional ownership of Gibson. In the meantime, just calm down and stop obsessing over which tools others are using to be creative.

I have to agree.  For me, Sonar had a lot of bugs and crashes whereas other programs (Reaper, Studio One, FL Studio) really had no issues.  I love the workflow, smart tool, and the Prochannel though so I'm very interested in seeing it further developed and refined.  The program has a certain "soul" which I haven't found with the other DAWs. . . it's hard to explain.  That's why I bought the lifetime updates. . . I figured eventually they would get things fully ironed out but it hasn't happened so far.  Hopefully it will now with Bandlab purchasing it!

Good day all,
A good thought might be to let the new owners roll out what they are going to. And, yes the input is valid at some point, but, maybe not right now. If they ask something specific, then yes, respond to that. We should not try to express our wants until their wants are met. It is a conversation, not a monologue. Thanks to Bandlab for even contacting us. Look forward to your involvement.
MJ

GregGraves
Funny how everyone was saying how great Win 10 was, and how Sonar is so unstable.   My Sonar is on a dedicated Win7 machine that I never intend on updating.  I rarely have a crash.

The major problems that people had with Sonar have nothing to do with Windows 10. Sonar works fine for me in small projects with a very moderate number of tracks and plugins, and little to no MIDI and synths. In large projects with dozens of tracks and lots of MIDI flying around, it absolutely has major problems and chokes under pressure in a way that other DAW's don't. That's what they have to fix going forward, and no amount of burying heads in the sand or dismissing people's problems as OS or hardware related will change that. So many people's problems with Sonar have been dismissed with "it must your hardware or drivers" on these forums and if you read discussions about Sonar on forums like KVR and Gearslutz, many people will cite this attitude as a major reason why they jumped ship and moved to other DAW's. It's a huge turnoff and makes the community look fanboy-ish. I have a fairly powerful system and use an RME interface with fully up to date drivers and yet still have terrible performance problems with Sonar that just DON'T happen in Reaper. Basic logic tells me that Sonar is the problem, not my system or anything else I'm doing. Hopefully the new Sonar team will address these issues and make it the rock solid DAW it deserves to be for EVERYONE, not just a select few lucky ones who managed to escape its issues.

GregGraves
Funny how everyone was saying how great Win 10 was, and how Sonar is so unstable.   My Sonar is on a dedicated Win7 machine that I never intend on updating.  I rarely have a crash.

One day your computer will die..  Even worse, sorry you're stuck in a time warp and have no initiative to move forward with technology.  I guess advances in VSTi, editing, stability, new features...have no interest.  Why not go buy an old Fostex 8 track?
Lastly I have NOT had a single crash with PreSonus since last fall.  Yeah...a couple brought on by 3rd party plugs, pushing things (15 tracks of old VSTi, not yet rendered or "frozen").
With my dedicated custom computer, with tweeks completed and software installed by the builder (see specs)...I'd crash every 10 hours with Sonar... and yeah I DID the CCC updates.  So I guess the "original Sonar" software was long gone...without Melodyne Studio 4, Pro Channel plugs, Rapture Session, GUI adjustability...

Cactus MusicYou should really try Home Studio then.  It was free for the taking, might still be. 
 
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Cool!  Thanks for sharing!

Hopefully the new Sonar team will address these issues and make it the rock solid DAW it deserves to be for EVERYONE, not just a select few lucky ones who managed to escape its issues.
 
There's just no way this is possible. I don't know what percentage of people are having problems similiar to yours sharke but I'd say that percentage is the select few unlucky ones. And of lot of this group will never be satisfied no matter how close to perfection Sonar gets. Luckily, for them, and you, there are other options and it's probably just best to move on 

sharke

GregGraves
Funny how everyone was saying how great Win 10 was, and how Sonar is so unstable.   My Sonar is on a dedicated Win7 machine that I never intend on updating.  I rarely have a crash.

The major problems that people had with Sonar have nothing to do with Windows 10. Sonar works fine for me in small projects with a very moderate number of tracks and plugins, and little to no MIDI and synths. In large projects with dozens of tracks and lots of MIDI flying around, it absolutely has major problems and chokes under pressure in a way that other DAW's don't. That's what they have to fix going forward, and no amount of burying heads in the sand or dismissing people's problems as OS or hardware related will change that. So many people's problems with Sonar have been dismissed with "it must your hardware or drivers" on these forums and if you read discussions about Sonar on forums like KVR and Gearslutz, many people will cite this attitude as a major reason why they jumped ship and moved to other DAW's. It's a huge turnoff and makes the community look fanboy-ish. I have a fairly powerful system and use an RME interface with fully up to date drivers and yet still have terrible performance problems with Sonar that just DON'T happen in Reaper. Basic logic tells me that Sonar is the problem, not my system or anything else I'm doing. Hopefully the new Sonar team will address these issues and make it the rock solid DAW it deserves to be for EVERYONE, not just a select few lucky ones who managed to escape its issues.

I must be one of the lucky one James
I can routinely run a 135 orchestral project, all midi with extensive automation, key switching & fx plugs and it's not crashed on me once.