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  • Can anyone tell me the current state of support for QCon Icon Pro X? (p.2)
2018/11/29 21:38:07
azslow3
poetnprophet
Some of the claims above are just plain WRONG.  I have a Qcon ProX, I like it.  I don't use Cakewalk at all anymore so I can't comment on how well it works with that.  Is it a VS700C?  Hell no, not even close. But it does function well enough with any basic MCU protocol.  I'm using Reaper, and there are a few MCU-like configurations to use, all a little different.  I don't know enough about how to program protocols or any of that, but I am able to use all of the functions of this controller well enough without too much trouble on my end.  There are lots of things I wish could be better, and of course the G2 came out just after I purchased the ProX.  At the end of the day, I am able to control transport, track controls, sends, plugins, and automation.  And although looks have nothing to do with function, this thing looks amazing.  I have a full review on gearslutz. 

I do not see many "wrong" places, except what I have already written before and
"original Mackie which was designed and built using the very open source friendly Apple Logic DAW".
Still public Mackie documentation is from EMagic time... so before Apple.
 
Early problems with Qcon Pro are known. There are reports that is fixed, but not many and not deep.
 
G2 has less buttons then MCU. So something will definitively work differently. What exactly? That requires exact comparison.
 
Reaper has more or less normal MCU implementation, with Klinke extension. But even with that it can not be used as "a reference".
 
X-Touch I have (remotely) compared myself. Each control and each message. It is exact "clone" of Mackie. Faders are different. I have forgotten to check on big X-Touch, but X-Touch compact has low resolution faders for sure.
 
I have googled only one claim G2 has 10bit faders, from the source I do not trust (not the manufacturer).
2018/11/30 00:20:15
poetnprophet
Hey azslow, don't worry I don't understand most of your technical talk anyway so I wasn't referring to you  :)
The claims that the Xtouch is built like a tank are wrong.  I got my hands on one just briefly, and instantly was not impressed once I touched it.  Everything feels cheap, everything thing is plastic and the exact opposite of the ProX.  It literally feels like half price stuff.  The only thing I wish the proX had that the Xtouch does is rubber/quiet buttons.  Yes it is an exact copy of the MCU, but if you want an MCU get an MCU, it's better than the Xtouch in every way except it doesn't have a meter per channel or rubber buttons.  
This:
   No dedicated automation read, write, touch, latch 
And this:
   No dedicated "Control Group" buttons Track, Buss, Main, Save, Undo, Redo.
are also wrong.  Well, there's no buss/track/etc button (if you use reaper this is totally moot!), but there is save, undo, and all the automations, and lots of other useful and common buttons, and quite a bit of the buttons can be programmed as needed depending on how you have it setup, and on and on.
None of these controllers are perfect, at least to me.  There are trade offs to them all, whether missing meters, missing particular buttons, missing build quality, missing a good price, missing vpots/channel, etc.  Even the mighty VS700 isn't perfect since it can't be expanded and the main reason why I needed one that does.  The number of expandable control surfaces is....well I think only the few we've mentioned already, Icon, Behringer, and Mackie.
2018/11/30 00:23:01
Steev
Glad to hear of someone who actually has a good experience with the QCon and doesn't need the extra connectivity options and full MCU support.
 However not needing or even liking Cakewalk and posting in the Cakewalk forum is, umm, ahhhh, oh never mind..
 
 And thanks for the info azslow3, I didn't even realize Mackie made the controller back in the EMagic days.
 I really liked the Windows version of Logic and preferred it over Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 back in the day.
 And if Apple kept up Windows support, good chance I wouldn't be posting in this forum either, LoL.
 
 But by the time SONAR 4 Producer was released I didn't care anymore that I was a Logic orphan.
 I shut down my Mac and jumped ship when OSx came out with core audio drivers, what a freak'in time consuming and prohibitively expensive train wreck that was! 
 But today as far as I'm concerned Logic is the reasonable equivalent of Cakewalk for the Mac.
 
 
2018/11/30 00:44:40
poetnprophet
I still have CW installed, it's not that I don't need it or like it...in fact the opposite, it's CW that screwed me over.  And, I'm still a forum member, and I'm here every now and then to see if something ever gets fixed so I can return.
 
You sure jump to a lot of conclusions about things that have nothing to do with you.
2018/11/30 01:06:06
Steev
BTW, I'm not sure what the bit resolution of the faders on the X Touch are, or if it is even different from the compact. Behringer has always been lax with providing detailed documentation (to put it mildly).
 But you can match it to run smoothly with finer control by right clicking on any channels VU meter and set the  range to match fader movements to the X Touch.
My X Touch feels and responds smoothly with SONAR/CbB VU meters set to the 42 db range.
2018/11/30 12:46:23
Steev
poetnprophet
I still have CW installed, it's not that I don't need it or like it...in fact the opposite, it's CW that screwed me over.  And, I'm still a forum member, and I'm here every now and then to see if something ever gets fixed so I can return.
 
You sure jump to a lot of conclusions about things that have nothing to do with you.


Your here because CW screwed you over? I jump to conclusions about things that don't have anything to do with me? 
 
 Hee, hee, my, my, my how you draw such negative conclusions, such negative opinions..
 
 Admittedly you can't figure out how to make Cakewalk work for you, nor get your QCon to work with Cakewalk.
 News flash Kdubbs, I can't honestly see how that is Cakewalk's or my fault.
 
Maybe and hopefully you might find a solution.. But doubtful you will find it by criticizing others by posting replies in forums that offer no absolutely no positive contributions or solutions at all..
 
Didn't you used to try that on ACIDplanet back in the day, or are you another Kdubbs with an equally nasty attitude?
 
 Well I guess this thread deserves a timely lock out. I "guess" the answer to the current state of the QCon Icon Pro X support seems to be an unequivocal "Same As It Ever Was.." and was fixed with a newer but not necessarily better model???
 Only time and money will tell..
2018/11/30 18:58:49
poetnprophet
Nope, I don't do acid.  I have never tried to use my Qcon with CW ever, and neither any of the smart ones on this forum or bandlab support could help resolve my issue so there's more fact checking for you, Mr. Trump.
 
And lastly, the op came here for advice on the Qcon ProX.  Did you give anything helpful at all??  Any hands-on experience to share, second hand experience, anything remotely empirical?  Seemed like everything that you spoke about was something you "read" and every single bit of it was negative.  So, somebody has to be here to set the record straight.
 
hat tip
2018/11/30 22:28:35
azslow3
Peace friends...
2018/12/02 06:23:13
lossmentality
I want to thank everyone who took the time to respond to my post (and thanks to @msmcleod for the lib).
 
You've all given me more of a baseline to go from. I've been considering the XTouch as well, it's just I was able to find more info on it with regards to Cakewalk, so I didn't bother asking about it.
 
I've got all the connectivity I need already, so that's not really a deciding factor, though of course it doesn't hurt to have more and so is still a plus on the side of the XTouch.
 
While I knew the Pro X doesn't list sonar support or come with an overlay, I didn't know the G2 does, so I'll add that to the mix (pun intended). 
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