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2018/02/06 04:19:22
jaxman12
There is no tech support or customer support.  If you want Sonar Platinum, Guitarcenter still has it but the next shipment isn't scheduled until February 28, 2018.
 
http://www.guitarcenter.c...walk/SONAR-Platinum.gc
2018/02/06 05:27:38
JonD
jaxman12
There is no tech support or customer support.  If you want Sonar Platinum, Guitarcenter still has it but the next shipment isn't scheduled until February 28, 2018.
 
http://www.guitarcenter.c...walk/SONAR-Platinum.gc



Wow! And they seriously have the gall to charge full retail ($499!) for it!
 
If you really want it, it might be worth waiting for the inevitable markdown as a clearance item.
2018/02/06 05:38:01
sharke
Just Another Bloke
Freeze sharke, freeze.




I bounce synths to audio as soon as I'm happy with the part. Then I switch them off. So that leaves the plugins I use to mix with. My projects run to 100+ tracks and I use large FX chains on many of them. So I expect quite a CPU hit, and do all my mixing at a 2048 buffer size. You only really get those large spikes from synths that park themselves on one core and max it out. Stuff like Native Instruments' Monark, which runs in Reaktor at 96kHz, will typically cause spikes in a large project. But when you're just using non-synth plugins, you don't have to worry about spiking so much in my experience. Also I think it helps to limit the number of cores your DAW uses. I have 12 virtual cores but I restrict Sonar to 10, leaving 2 for Windows. I've seen this advice repeated a lot of times and it seems to work. 
2018/02/06 05:42:52
sharke
Green Needle
sharke
Green Needle
I have emailed support 2x and got nothing back yet.
Basically i want plugin load balancing, i own Sonar professional, But now i use a lot of the Acustica plugs and think the plug in load balancing will help a lot with those as they are high cpu usage.
Anyone know who to talk to to get an upgrade at this point in time or get a deal on sonar Platinum?
 




The only circumstance in which plugin load balancing will make a positive difference is if you have one or more cores which spike a lot higher than the rest. This usually happens when a plugin or synth makes a heavy load on one core. If your cores are heavily taxed, but all at a similar level, then load balancing won't help and in fact might make matters worse because the feature carries some overhead itself. 
 
Personally I've never seen a benefit. This is what my cores typically look like in a very large, plugin-heavy project - as you can see, quite high CPU usage but nothing is really spiking. 
 

 
In fact in my case, turning on load balancing often makes Sonar refuse to start the transport for whatever reason. 
 


I wish mine looked like that! What plugs do you use?
 




Nothing out of the ordinary, but I guess some quite CPU-heavy stuff. A lot of reverbs and a lot of analog modeled stuff, like NI's Passive EQ and Waves J37. As stated above, I find the only plugins which spike my cores are some of the more CPU-intensive synths like Reaktor and Waves Element. As soon as I've printed my synths to audio and turned them off, I'm limited to regular mixing plugins like the above. I don't know how many plugins I have going in the above image but I'm pretty sure it must be close to 300. If I turned a few synths back on then I'd start to see spikes. So what I do if I need to print a synth part again, I'll hit the FX bypass button temporarily just while the synth's on. That brings all of the cores right back down to zero again and the synth is free to do its stuff without me worrying about it spiking anything. 
2018/02/06 05:45:47
sharke
Green Needle
I own Professional not Platinum. My first processor in line of 16 cores is spiked when i use the Acustica plugs. They all seem to fall on the 1st one. Load balancing seems ideal for me here from what i have read.
 

 
Yeah it's likely it would help. The Acustica plugins are known for being very CPU heavy. Do you set your buffer size to the highest available? 
 
2018/02/06 17:10:28
Green Needle
Yes i have been.
2018/02/06 19:05:22
Steev
 I can think of a lot of goods reasons to upgrade to SPLAT without even considering CPU load balancing, however you may be too late.
 But you can still get the tools which are actually just Audio Plugins and instruments that makes SPLAT superior to Pro from 3rd party vendors even if Gibson won't offer them any longer.
 Ever check out the plugin suite that comes with any Focusrite Scarlett audio interface? You could save money on the plugins and instruments by purchasing a Scarlett 2i2 and throwing the interface in the garbage, LoL, but that would be an insane thing to do, of course. Focusrite also has a free plugin collective program that offers really high quality plugins from time to time like a full licensed version of XLN Addictive Drums 2 (same as came with SPLAT) Addictive Keys which is equal to or maybe even better then SPLAT's Real Pianos plugin, depending on some ENORMOUSLY varying opinions ranging from extremely biased to none bias.
 But seriously though, the Drawmer S 73  dynamics mastering compressor(s) plugin that comes bundled with the SoftTubes package is worth the price of the 2i2 all by itself. And I'm just naming a few.
 
But there sure are some great and useful Cakewalk audio plugins and instruments that would almost be a sin to lose that came bundled with SPLAT that actually gave it super value packed, even though it cost(ed) $300 more, now it will most likely cost 2x that to catch up thru 3rd party vendors that Cakewalk USED to license from or vendors of equal quality.
 Vendors like iZotope, Waves, and Eventide can get to be pretty pricy collecting plugins even with their super sales offers.
 
Have you tried looking on the Tascam website? I would think, but don't actually know that they would offer an upgrade there for their new line of Tascam recording systems which uses SONAR PRO as the central DAW software. It would seem to make sense for Tascam to at least sell Plugins like the Adaptive Limiter and or Rapture Pro separately somewhere.
It seems to me that SONAR has been incorporated into the Tascam recording suites lineup where they now sell it as part as a system OS for their carefully designed preconfigured and packaged recording system completely bundled with a computer, comprehensive set of high quality basic audio FX and vsti instruments suites, audio interface, mic, and headphones "That they tested and KNOW will work and be compatible with each other!"
 
 Comparing it to high performance a race car, I kind of look at it as a nitro burning Tascam Porta Studio with an overhead cam and open headers designed to run as flawlessly as it can with a relatively small engine get to capture and successfully record 8 -16 tracks of audio on an affordable moderately powerful Intel i5 CPU .
 I've seen and know people who already have been doing that for quite some time now since SONAR X3 with i5 class systems which hold up GREAT in a project until they get burdened with "MIXING" sessions with too many automated tracks with too many plugins and synths running. Not to mention those who think nothing of using heavy hitting CPU intensive mastering plugins on tracks and or running mastering suites like iZotope Ozone in the main output buss all at the same time...
 Don't get me wrong, I am a great fan of iZotope, and particularly Ozone, but only use it with Sound Forge during the finals for mastering sessions.
 
Anyway, I'm thinking you've missed the boat on getting a "Cakewalk" SONAR Platinum upgrade.
 
I believe it was Craig Anderton who said "Trying to keep up with fixes, patches, and updates is like trying to hit a moving target", and I couldn't agree more when it comes to such a wide array of users from starter, novice, on up to skilled audio/MIDI engineers, and using such a wide array of computers from decades old machines to current tech, from ultra cheap bargain box laptop computers they bought at the Wal-Mart blowout sale on up to high quality component and performance workstations.
 
As much as I don't like to say or even realize it, I don't blame Gibson Brands for throwing their hands in the air, shuttering the Cakewalk brand, and keeping the technology alive through Tascam.
 And even if they drop the SONAR name completely and call it by another name, the technology still lives on....
 
And SONAR goes on to live to be "The greatest and most coveted vintage DAW the world has ever known."
 Ya know, kind of like some old worn out '69 Les Paul Custom with it's paintjob peeling off, or that beat up mystical '64 Fender Deluxe amp, both of which can command ridiculously stupid sums of money to not only covet, but to keep up and running, AND none of which Gibson of Fender will ever see..
 
My experiences with SPLAT's CPU core load balancing didn't "seem" to have any useful effect on my 4th gen Intel i7 on the brief time SPLAT was installed on that machine.
  SPLAT appeared to only use as many cores as it needed with the first core running the hottest averaging between 50%-75% with a 30 to 40 track project. If one core spiked hard enough to cause an audio engine dropout with load balancing off, the core wouldn't spike with load balancing turned on all cores ran and danced around 50%-60%, but the audio engine dropout would still occur at the same exact spot on the time line 
 
My experiences with SPLAT's CPU core load balancing with the AMD FX 8370 turned on and off are quite different but mostly appear to be only visual with an equivalent 30 to 40 track project.
 With it off the first core does the brunt of the work dancing rather quickly anywhere between 30% up to startling red zone spikes, but the other cores kick in quick enough to avoid any audio engine dropouts, though may produce a quick but passing none destructive stutter.
 With core load balancing turned on the FX 8370 runs smoothly with all 8 cores dancing between 20%-30%, it rarely breeches 50% on any core but when it does it may produce a quick but passing none destructive stutter.
 I can only assume the differences in percentages and performance is due to the AMD architecture of having 8 physical cores  running at a much faster base clock CPU, FSB + PCIe Buss, and memory timing speeds allows for smooth operation running the Focusrite 18i20 @ lower latency @ 128 bit buffer as opposed to the slower across the board i7's 8 virtual core and buss architecture slightly higher, but not really humanly detectable latency smooth operation @ 256 bit buffers. Well, at least this human can't detect the difference between 2.7 ms and 6 ms in real-life recording latency, LoL, so these numbers mean more then nothing as does load balancing.
 Believe me, there is nothing wimpy about that i7 machine, and it's powerful enough where it can rock steady and deliver excellent results without ever having to change buffer settings for mixing sessions.
But then I never have the occasion, even in very complex orchestrated compositions where I need more then 48 tracks to get my musical ideas or point across.
 
 I'd also like to point out with the observation that weird and unpredictable things can happen to a project when you keep switching back and forth turning load balancing on and off to make quick comparisons only produces weird and unreliable results.
 
But truth be told, I actually don't know if load balancing has any benefits other then making the performance meters less distracting, and when the meters start to average around 30% it's a subtle reminder it's time to start freezing and saving tracks I'm committed to and no longer working on.
I leave it on because I've recorded many projects now with it on and it never produced negative results and a really, really detest seeing red warning lights coming on anywhere in the GUI during recording as much as I do on the instrument panel of my car.
 
 
2018/02/06 20:09:40
Steev
Green Needle
I own Professional not Platinum. My first processor in line of 16 cores is spiked when i use the Acustica plugs. They all seem to fall on the 1st one. Load balancing seems ideal for me here from what i have read.
 


I just noticed you are running a 16 core CPU(s)? Is that older duel 8 core CPUs running on a motherboard designed for a server? A new Intel i9 or AMD Ryzen Thread Ripper?


Well in any case, I seriously doubt any version of SONAR will support or recognize more then 8 cores on a single CPU, and most likely the #1 reason Cakewalk Support which I'm thinking doesn't do any research or testing for brand new tech toys like Intel i9's or AMD Ryzen Thread Ripper's, or for that matter develop absolutely anything anymore.
 Hence, it is quite possible SONAR will only recognize the 1st core on the 1st in line CPU
 
 The only DAW I'm sure that can support server configuration mobo's or multiple computers at once would be Pro Tools HD, but that's pricey, very, very, very, very, very, pricey
2018/02/06 20:28:38
scook
Steev
Well in any case, I seriously doubt any version of SONAR will support or recognize more then 8 cores on a single CPU, and most likely the #1 reason Cakewalk Support which I'm thinking doesn't do any research or testing for brand new tech toys like Intel i9's or AMD Ryzen Thread Ripper's, or for that matter develop absolutely anything anymore.

According to Noel SONAR will use all the cores available to it, see http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3606880
 
In that case the user had 2x44 core Xeon processors and SONAR configured itself to use all 88 cores. The CPU display in the Performance module has a 32 core limit though.
2018/02/06 20:44:20
azslow3
Steev
 The only DAW I'm sure that can support server configuration mobo's or multiple computers at once would be Pro Tools HD, but that's pricey, very, very, very, very, very, pricey

And Reaper. Cheap
If latency does not matter, can work even throw Wireless. But wired connection is strongly recommended.
 
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