2017/05/29 16:54:31
abacab
Jeff Evans
Oh and for occide here is another one. Native Instruments Prism. Now there is a serious synth with some very serious pads and very organic ones. This synth cam move its harmonics by modulation both horizontally on the spectrum as well as vertically of course. You won't find anything that sounds like it.




Just thought I should mention that the free NI REAKTOR 6 PLAYER comes with the free "MIKRO PRISM" with 70 presets.
 
Also included is "BLOCKS WIRED".
 
https://www.native-instru...nths/reaktor-6-player/
 
Worth checking out.  There are some good source sounds in here for use with additional processing! 
2017/05/30 19:59:09
Jeff Evans
I think the ultimate organic pad machine has just been created. It is called 'Thrill'
 
Check it out here:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP_Jbs0i49Q
 
Now this is what I call serious. Having dynamic and full live performance control is the way to go here.
Try recording all the audio demos and then drop those into Iris 2 or Granite. You will be amazed.
But this does look good. Pricey though. The cost off a full DAW alone. 
 
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/cinematic/thrill/
 
Our cost is $435 AU and I guess if you are fairly serious about using something like this then and even making money from it then it is a good investment.  
2017/05/30 20:43:05
abacab
At least Thrill can run in Kontakt 5 Player!
2017/05/30 21:23:34
Jeff Evans
abacab
At least Thrill can run in Kontakt 5 Player!

 
Yes and I am glad of that. I think with the other half of many virtual instruments that do need the full version of Kontakt, is a bit of a shame.  A huge outlay just to be able to use some other virtual instruments.  But the Kontakt player does work for many things though.  Make sure you update it to the latest update.
 
But the Thrill concept looks interesting. The whole X/Y pad thing is very cool. I have got an iPad connected to my studio via an Alesis IO Dock and it is easy to setup large X/Y pads or even multiple ones and send that data into the sequencer.  Which is very cool for this type of thing.  
 
2017/05/31 08:04:35
occide
Well in the end I couldn't resist anymore and bought Falcon. Now I hate myself cause I spent over 500€ for plugins this month alone.
 
What can I say, is Falcon the tool I expected it to be? Yes and no. First of all I'm delighted that it's a great sampler. I thought sampling would be more of a rudimentary feature, but it's not. So I can cross off buying another sampler.
 
Compared to Serum I'm missing a few things. Still you cannot really compare Falcon to Serum, Falcon is just another league of an instrument.
 
What I miss most is the possibility to combine certain techniques, like running a wavetable synth through granular. That doesn't work, I kinda expected it would. You can have wavetable, granular, samples and whatnot in parallel as many as you want however.
 
The noise oscillator is a bit disappointing cause it can't use custom samples. On the other hand you can substitute that just with a regular sample patch easily.
 
Biggest surprise was the plug oscillator, what a powerful tool, omg!! (<- I usually don't write omg!!11)
 
So I was wrong before, Falcon definitely is worth it's money, the depth of this monster didn't show to me before. I'd never want to miss it again. And their commercial library, like what? Synth Anthology 2, World Music, ... dude. Some say Falcon doesn't come with enough Factory presets. By default it does come with about 300 presets that sound great and a voucher for other libraries. So you have to be willing to invest more money if you want more patches, I am not atm, but it's certainly justified to charge money for those libs.
 
In conclusion: You want organic, natural pads? Get a third job. :|
2017/05/31 08:41:44
Jeff Evans
Thrill is about as organic as you can get.  It seems to move between very unusual orchestral sounds and electronic textures.  Listening to it though it seems to be very natural and organic most of the time.  Not cheap either.  But very different from any of the synths mentioned here so far.
 
I have produced many very organic sounding ambient textures over the years.  You need to steer away from the more conventional synth type oscillator waveforms because they will always sound like that.  Samplers are good because you can record very real and organic sounds and manipulate them with amazing dexterity.  Granite transforms very natural sounds into amazing organic sounding pads.  In a snap.  The Yamaha SY77 was cool because it was an all FM machine but the sample part of the ROM could be substituted for the oscillators in the DX algorithm.  Thus the sounds changed and became very organic and real sounding.  Nothing has emulated the SY77 yet either which is sort of interesting.  But the Yamaha Montage may be able to do it though. They have put those features back in.
 
Another option might be a synth that does resynthesis.  Something that analyses an organic type sound and re synthesises it to great accuracy. e.g. an additive synth.  Then you go in an edit the synth part further.  Moving it away from that sound again into another direction.  I have got a hardware Kawai K5000 which is an additive beast.  I cannot believe how organic it can sound too for such an electronic instrument.  I have a box connected to it which allows me to tweak 16 of the most important parameters.  Talk about shifting sounds away from one place to another.
 
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