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  • More separation with individual reverbs (p.2)
2017/05/21 19:44:24
BenMMusTech
If you want to know how to do reverb properly, think like a sculptor!
 
Me, I use a separate verb for voice, drums, guitars, acoustics, and even sfx. True story, and how do I stop it sounding like a big pile of shiny ****e? Well, as bit suggest diffusion is important, second proper gain staging out to the busses, understanding how verb works in the real world, so for a room roll off at 80hz between 3 to 6 db, roll off the top end at 4k, same amount. Then there is the secret special sauce, virtual binaural sound...literally you pump the verb up into 3d, this doesn't just work for headphones mind you...it helps the sound diffuse into the air when listening on stereo speakers. Of course, I'm not giving you the whole formula...there are a couple more steps that are needed. If I gave away all my secrets, well...
 
Ben
 
Here is a track I prepared earlier https://youtu.be/46MA8Uw1w8c enjoy
 
2017/05/21 22:40:08
bapu
Fab DuPont = Give Secrets Away For Free
Ben = Nope, only some secrets are given away for free.
2017/05/22 03:34:06
BenMMusTech
bapu
Fab DuPont = Give Secrets Away For Free
Ben = Nope, only some secrets are given away for free.


You wouldn't believe me if I told you, and I gave enough of the cake recipe for those who really want an advanced verb technique to work it out :)
2017/05/22 12:58:04
Starise
I sometimes use multiple reverbs in the same send in series. I'll take the tail of one and combine it with the main body of another reverb. I might also use multiple sends.
 
Most reverb gives you a lot of control over the sound. Diffusion, frequency cuts, feedback, etc.. In a send you can  use EQ to cut out some of the low frequency mud of the reverb, even add tone coloring and compression. You can automate the  volume/EQ/panning and come up with some cool ideas.  All depending on what you want to achieve and the reverb or reverbs you use. 
 
What I've found in my own experience is what sounds good for most mixes isn't necessarily a real reverb sound as in a convolution or real space.
 
To clean up the mud and retain the nice airy reverb feel I have found that not feeding any low mids or bass into the verb usually gives me the results I'm after. Plug ins like vitamin can help to loose a lot of that low end mush and only pan the parts you want to hear in the stereo field.
2017/05/22 14:27:59
batsbrew
there really is no point in using any more than one reverb,
unless it's for a special effect.
 
the idea is to create a soundscape that gives the impression of 'space' and 'room'....
 
using any more than one reverb, to me, just does not make sense.
 
now, that said, i routinely setup two reverbs.
 
LOL
 
i like a certain 'room' effect on drums, if i use dry samples for example, and i'll have a reverb dedicated to just drums.
 
then, a master 'verb' that gives me the room or space sound i want across the entire recording.
 
but yes,
setting up a single instance,
then sending the levels from the individual tracks via SENDS, lets you not only set the amount of reverb you want, 
but also lets you pan the reverb (assuming you are using a mono instance),
which is a trick i learned from steven wilson, who learned it from robert fripp.... that if you pan your effect to match the pan of your track, you can separate out reverbs even more that way.
 
and i'll often pan a track hard right (like a conga) and pan the reverb the opposite side.
works for guitars and vox.
2017/05/24 12:59:18
Bristol_Jonesey
Or there's the Mike Senior way:
 
  1. Reverb for Size
  2. Reverb for Width
  3. Reverb for Blend
  4. Reverb for Tone
  5. Reverb for Sustain
2017/05/24 14:03:14
batsbrew
that sounds like a recipe for mud!

2017/05/24 17:45:49
jamesg1213
batsbrew
there really is no point in using any more than one reverb,
unless it's for a special effect.
 
 




Rob, not everyone is doing rock songs...other genres are available...
2017/05/25 00:24:17
batsbrew
still....
mud.
LOL
 
 
it kinda dismisses the entire logic behind even having reverb...
 
you are trying to set a sound in a 'space'
 
how many spaces do you really need?
and where in the real world would you ever hear those spaces all together in one stereoscape?
 
so, i personally question the effectiveness, or even the choice of it...
 
but, like a lot of things in life,
there are no rules.
 
i'd love to hear a GOOD example of a mix with multiple reverbs like that.
 
2017/05/25 01:13:32
Kamikaze
Did you watch the Fab Dupont Video on three reverbs I linked?
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