chris.r

ooblecaboodle
I don;t understand that at all. How on earth are you meant to control it?

 Answering by quoting from the 1st post:
 

gadget
Some of the functions are not accessible via the UI, but only with it swiched-off, which then reveals the full list of control parameters.

You're repeating that as if it makes any sense. I still don't understand how on earth the parameters are meant to be controlled, or why anyone would hide extra stuff.
Could you give an example?

You can open up an automation lane for each parameter you want to control. Then use the slider toward the right of the automation lane to change the parameter value. You can even leave the GUI open to see how varying the value changes the parameter setting.

ooblecaboodle

chris.r

ooblecaboodle
I don;t understand that at all. How on earth are you meant to control it?

 Answering by quoting from the 1st post:
 

gadget
Some of the functions are not accessible via the UI, but only with it swiched-off, which then reveals the full list of control parameters.

You're repeating that as if it makes any sense. I still don't understand how on earth the parameters are meant to be controlled, or why anyone would hide extra stuff.
Could you give an example?

You can turn off a plugin's GUI in Reaper and Samplitude. With it off, you get a basic set of controls for each parameter on a simple grey background and without all the fussy, distracting artwork which in some cases can use system resources to visually render. Some plugins do have additional controls available which are not present in the GUI but can be automated.

@karhide and @35mm - Correct.
 
The plug-in effect I am testing has some of its features hidden from its main GUI, as these will eventually be hardware controlled (and therefore do not need to be represented in the GUI).
 
In Reaper, there is a simple button to switch the GUI on and off (which is what I am now using for this purpose), but as a fully paid-up Sonar user I wanted to continue using it if it could do what I wanted. Unfortunately, it seems I can't.
 
Here is an example of what I mean using a Waves plug-in (although in this case, all parameters are implemented in both): no GUI on the left, GUI on the right...
 

how about the "fx chain" ui?

pwalpwal
how about the "fx chain" ui?

AFAIK that only adds a pseudo GUI for plug-ins that don't have one, rather than enabling me to remove a GUI from a plug-in that does.

Right, but the hidden parameters may appear to be available actually...?

gadget

pwalpwal
how about the "fx chain" ui?

AFAIK that only adds a pseudo GUI for plug-ins that don't have one, rather than enabling me to remove a GUI from a plug-in that does.

not really, it's a container that allows you to expose and control parameters for the vsts contained therein
https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=Mixing.34.html
you're limited to the number of controls you can expose in the ui but it might get you there

chris.r
Right, but the hidden parameters may appear to be available actually...?

if the vst exposes them, yes they are

pwalpwal

gadget

pwalpwal
how about the "fx chain" ui?

AFAIK that only adds a pseudo GUI for plug-ins that don't have one, rather than enabling me to remove a GUI from a plug-in that does.

not really, it's a container that allows you to expose and control parameters for the vsts contained therein
https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=Mixing.34.html
you're limited to the number of controls you can expose in the ui but it might get you there

Thanks, that's very helpful info :)
 
I have tried as suggested and can indeed see the hidden parameters listed.
 
Unfortunately, one out of the 37 is missing: the preset number control.
 
I can't see a way of accessing pre-programmed presets either (?)