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  • Metal recording and the lack of balls. (p.6)
2016/10/28 18:16:27
ABull
Fascinating and informative discussion -- thanks all 
2016/11/26 20:02:08
tfbattag
Jeff already mentioned this, but in the early phrases, the kick is really what is giving the attack. The timing of the guitar riff and the kick are really tight-- nice playing there. 
 
I don't play an ENGL-- Mark V here, but I got some great tone advice from John Petrucci and his different gain and EQ selections for different constructs (heavy rhythm, clean, lead, etc.). Here's a link to the video. Maybe your EQ and gain are somewhat similar?
 
John Petrucci -- Mark V -- Settings and Tone Tips (Part 1)
John Petrucci -- Mark V -- Settings and Tone Tips (Part 2)
2016/11/26 20:04:21
tfbattag
...oh, and I have found for ballsy rhythm, a Shure SM7B close to the cone and a ribbon of your choosing about 20 inches away (check phase) mixed sounds great.
2017/03/23 19:09:19
straighttothebar
I think I'm finally on to something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaLh4jnrIig
 
Thanks all again for your answers :)
2017/03/23 20:09:57
Voda La Void
straighttothebar
I think I'm finally on to something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaLh4jnrIig
 
Thanks all again for your answers :)




Yes!  That sounds great.  So what did you do differently to achieve that sound? You've definitely come a long way from that original recording you shared.  Sounds so good.  

Also, I noticed you're playing a 6 string..is that a baritone guitar or did you just get some fat strings and tune them down?  I just tried down tuning one of my guitars, to a B on the bottom string, and it sounds like it's struggling to stay in tune...
 
 
2017/03/24 04:10:18
tlw
Dropping a guitar down that low is going to cause problems unless you use very heavy strings, recut the nut to suit and set up the intonation, action and neck relief to match the string tension and gauge. I've a couple of guitars I tune down a tone to D, one in open tuning one "standard" and I find I have to go up a gauge in strings for every tone I drop the tuning.
 
So on a Fender scale for dropping to D "standard" (DGCFAD) I use a .011-.050 set and it still feels pretty light. On a Gibson scale for playing slide in D I use .013-.056 and it's not as tight as you might imagine. To drop to B I'd reckon on somewhere around a .060 or bigger for the bottom string. John Etheridge has a Tele with a couple of bass strings replacing the low E and A to play bass backings an octave down from the guitar, and that A is only a tone lower than the lowest string you'll have if you drop to B. So looking at light bass strings might be the way to go.
2017/03/24 04:48:25
straighttothebar
Voda La Void
Yes!  That sounds great.  So what did you do differently to achieve that sound? You've definitely come a long way from that original recording you shared.  Sounds so good.  

Also, I noticed you're playing a 6 string..is that a baritone guitar or did you just get some fat strings and tune them down?  I just tried down tuning one of my guitars, to a B on the bottom string, and it sounds like it's struggling to stay in tune...


Thanks!
The video features an 1800$ ESP Eclipse II 6 string, but the actuall recording was done with a cheap 400$ Schecter Omen 6 (not sure if baritone?).. Strangely I much prefer those cheap passive Schecter diamond pickups over the active EMG's..

I didn't change that much to the ampsettings I use to have, except turning down the gain a little.
The trick to achieve that guitarsound is to cut out, almost completely, the honky frequencies between 110-130hz with an eq in Sonar, and add a little around 1.4khz (the djent-frequency). An additional eq on the masterchannel cutting again the 120hz range, but boosting everything below the 100hz gives a powerfull lowend feeling.

Cheers!
2017/03/24 19:41:25
batsbrew
oh yea, that sounds good.
i'd say you're pretty dialed in....
 
get busy!
 
2017/03/24 19:42:10
batsbrew
put some melodic singing over that......
bingo.
 
2017/03/24 20:50:27
straighttothebar
batsbrew
put some melodic singing over that......
bingo.


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