gothic.angel
 
things like "OSX is actually significantly better at handling audio and midi" are old wearisome LEGENDS...
 

Incorrect.
 
One exemple - I actually get better performance and latency from my audio interface using Apple's own default Core Audio drivers than with the manufacturer's drivers. Tested and verified time and time again, with my old M-Audio and my current Focusrite interface.
 
Heck, my old Fast Track can no longer be used with recent version of OSX - unless I wipe AVID/M-Audio's drivers and let OSX take care of handling it... 
 
Another exemple: Apple have allowed for low-latency audio on their phones and tablets for years. Alternatives are just catching up - see IK Multimedia's recent announcement.
 
The fact is that Apple has always placed a very strong focus on audio and video - and it's a fact, regardless of whether one likes Apple or not. They're selling systems with audio applications on them such as Garage Band which have to work out of the box. And they do.
 
They have their own DAW, Logic, which is a top notch audio application, with an all-star line of synths and processors. They have MainStage, which is one of the most widely used host application on stages around the world. And they've just acquired Camel Audio. Clearly, Apple loves multimedia, and they're selling you an experience.
 
That's where the difference lies - you buy a computer from them, and you're ready to go*. No need to download drivers and install tons of 3rd party tools - everything is integrated. Now, you don't have to like that, and some people prefer custom, and that's alright. But you can't disregard facts.
 
Last Mac I bought, it took me something like 2 or 3 hours, from the moment I walked in the store to the time I was home, launching my DAW with all its 40GB of content installed. Never had to worry about such things as optimization - unless running Pro Tools which is not the greatest in terms of performance.
 
* On the other hand, as Mr. Anderton pointed out, the latest incarnations of OSX certainly have lost their simplicity for us audio and video guys. It used to be that you'd pick up a Mac off the shelf, install your DAW software and be good to go. 
 
With Yosemite, and to a lesser extent most OSX revisions since Lion, that's no longer true. If I could buy a few dozen pre-Yosemite computers for the future, I'd do so. 
 
None of this, obviously, takes anything away from Sonar on a PC. It's a different mean to an end, period.
 

Karyn
Craig,  the post you quoted and replied to was written September 17, 2005.

Okay, so maybe we didn't get the hovercar. But I guess this is a form of time travel. 
 

Sanderxpander
Audio and midi handling are simply implemented better on the OS level on OSX. That doesn't necessarily mean you'll run into issues on Windows, but it's still true.

I agree. For starters, Core Audio can aggregate low-latency interfaces painlessly. Also, in typical Apple fashion, there's only ONE way to do things - you don't have MME Core Audio, DirectShow Core Audio, WDM Core Audio, WDM/KS Core Audio, WASAPI Core Audio, and WAVE RT Core Audio. You don't have MIDI port limits. Basically, audio and MIDI on the Mac was a disaster before OS X came along, and they had an opportunity to re-invent themselves...so they did.
 
Trivia: Did you know Vista had something called Core Audio? It really did.

Rain

gothic.angel
 
things like "OSX is actually significantly better at handling audio and midi" are old wearisome LEGENDS...
 

...
* On the other hand, as Mr. Anderton pointed out, the latest incarnations of OSX certainly have lost their simplicity for us audio and video guys. It used to be that you'd pick up a Mac off the shelf, install your DAW software and be good to go. 
 
With Yosemite, and to a lesser extent most OSX revisions since Lion, that's no longer true. If I could buy a few dozen pre-Yosemite computers for the future, I'd do so. 
 
None of this, obviously, takes anything away from Sonar on a PC. It's a different mean to an end, period.

 
...which basically means... that NOWADAYS all that remains about that Macs' "better handling of audio and MIDI" are old legends...
 
'cmon...
Let's face it... it's all about multimedia these days... so even when it comes to dealing with multimedia software,
Windows PCs hold most of the share.
 
enough with ancient commonplaces.
 
Regards.

Yes!

I run SPlat on a Mac Pro bootcamped to win7Pro x64... I never use the mac side of the machine as i really only use it for Sonar... It works great!

If you really need to be on the mac side, run parrallels as im told that works well too...

Why waste time on maintaining two different versions simply due to which os it runs on?

...just my 2cents?

Keni

gothic.angel
 
 
...which basically means... that NOWADAYS all that remains about that Macs' "better handling of audio and MIDI" are old legends...
 
'cmon...
Let's face it... it's all about multimedia these days... so even when it comes to dealing with multimedia software,
Windows PCs hold most of the share.
 
enough with ancient commonplaces.
 

That's NOT what I said if you read what I wrote instead of cherry picking the parts that confirm your own bias. Let's stick with facts - no one benefits from propaganda, whether it's for or against Apple.
 
Audio and MIDI handling are by far better handled on OSX - that valid even on Yosemite. Even Mr. Anderton's posts confirm that.
 
What Yosemite change is that it's now closer to Windows in terms of needing to be optimized - having some eye candy turned off for example. THAT's the novelty. Overall computer performance out of the box - not audio and MIDI per se.
 
Being commonplace doesn't make it any less true - the very vast majority of pro commercial studios, big time productions (such as Cirque du Soleil shows) and major league artists such as Nine Inch Nails are ALL using Mac. These are productions and facilities that generate millions every year and provide jobs for countless people. 
 
Other than on an anecdotal basis here or there, PC's did not replace Mac and nothing indicates that they will anytime soon - they simply answer the needs of another clientele, often consisting of self-employed independent or small operations or aspiring musicians. And then some big facilities, obviously. As a whole, it does account for a large market.
 
So there's room for both.

KIKO CUETO
Hola, llevo años en windows, y despues de alguna conversación con personas que trabajan y viven de esto, Mac, es mas estable, en su propio conjunto, y esto es de valorar, Sonar es practico para mi, y hablar o comparar otras Daws es algo normal en el ser humano....pero hoy por hoy creo que SONAR debería de dejar decidir al cliente con quien trabajar, seguro que aumentaría la estima en la mayoría de personas hacia sonar. No culpo a Sonar, sobre inestabilidades del sistema, pero el poder elegir el sistema operativo es ser mas libre.

Por favor, disculpe mi pobre español!
Eso puede ser cierto, pero el hecho es que el Sonar es para Windows, y funciona muy voluntad hay. No lo arregles si no está roto :)
Me parece windows 7 muy estable.

I notice the poster who resurrected this long dead thread did so in Spanish. Having attempted to respond in kind, I can only hope that I didn't just leave instructions on how to bake scones.
 
His basic point was that he prefers OSX, and having Sonar as a Windows only program takes the freedom of operating system choice away from the user. Please note that this is the posters opinion - not mine! Head over to google translate should you wish to reply;)
 

I ran Mac only from 1985 to 1995. Then I discovered that Windows could do more for less money. Since that time, I've run both Mac and Windows, both laptop and desktop. 
 
Honestly, I see very little difference between the two these days. I use Windows for the heavy lifting with audio and video, and the Mac for office work, writing, and publishing. There are still a few points of differentiation; if you're savvy, you can get more performance out of a Windows machine for less money, they're easier to repair/replace, and they're better at backwards compatibility. Macs are easier in terms of hooking up peripherals, have better audio handling, and are pretty much essential for publishing. But the reality is the Mac isn't as special as Mac people think it is; and with RISC gone on the Mac, Windows machines don't have the kind of performance edge they once did.
 
When you buy into Apple, you need to do it with eyes open. Apple makes money on the hardware, so they'll make sure you need to upgrade hardware periodically. Microsoft makes money on software, so they want to make sure it runs on anything...and as many SONAR users have found out, just because you can open Windows doesn't make it an ideal environment for running SONAR.
 
It's all good. Except, of course, for when either OS is having a hissy fit. Then it's all bad.

Wattchootalkin'boutMac?

Yup bugger all difference between macs and PC's nowadays. Just choose the marketing you prefer.

So why isn't it running on my android?
(and I'm still waiting for my hover car ;). )

Btw if people actually realised how much time and expence it would cost to develop Sonar on Mac they would probably ask Cakewalk to develop their own operating system instead. The whole debate is pure fantasy..