Frank Haas


you need to change your pan-law to something like "-3dB ....", not at my daw right now,.. but that usually fixes it.

We've done that one already.

I know that you have "suggested" to do so.. but did he really do it ?

John T


Ah, actually, I might be wrong here, if you're exporting the track rather than the mix. Worht checking the interleave in the track itself, though.

OK I found the issue! John T and Jaydrake, you were right, it was the interleave on the track itself (the term originally threw me, but then I remembered). It was specified as stereo on the track, when the audio file in the track is mono, and of course I was exporting it as mono... so of course it was technically "summing" it which produced 3dB of gain on it. As far as I know, no previous version of Sonar has done this, as I have never needed to worry about whether a track containing only mono audio files was specified as a mono or stereo track.

Thanks to all for your input, it is appreciated.
Tim

I wonder what would happen if you change the pan-law to "-3db ..." instead..
I've went through that as well (had to export the raw tracks to get it mixed on another daw). Going through 50 tracks and more checking for the interleave button didn't cross my mind.. I changed the pan law.. and it seemed to work..

Why don't you use 0dB center?

Then it will not matter how many times SONAR swaps your interleave back and forth unexpectedly... now that interleave is hidden out of sight in the Inspector window... it is likely that you will never see that it switched until you have wasted your time with a export or bounce gone bad.

http://www.harmoniccycle....NAR/Sonar-pan-laws.pdf

Frank Haas


I wonder what would happen if you change the pan-law to "-3db ..." instead..
I've went through that as well (had to export the raw tracks to get it mixed on another daw). Going through 50 tracks and more checking for the interleave button didn't cross my mind.. I changed the pan law.. and it seemed to work..

Would that affect stereo tracks that are being exported as well? If so, I wouldn't want that option. If it affects only mono tracks, that would be perfect, as I obviously wouldn't have to remember to check the interleave. Is changing the pan-law to -3dB done by simply changing the PanLaw entry in the Aud.ini file from 0 to -3?
Tim

mike_mccue


Why don't you use 0dB center?

Then it will not matter how many times SONAR swaps your interleave back and forth unexpectedly... now that interleave is hidden out of sight in the Inspector window... it is likely that you will never see that it switched until you have wasted your time with a export or bounce gone bad.

http://www.harmoniccycle....NAR/Sonar-pan-laws.pdf

I currently use 0dB center, sin/cos taper, constant power. According to the Sonar Pan Laws document you included, exporting a mono clip as mono with my current panning law settings when the track interleave is stereo will result in a 3dB increase, regardless of track panning or automation settings. In fact, I don't see any examples in that document of levels staying the same on clip export regardless of the track interleave - the figures would support the fact that it DOES matter what the track interleave is set at... in every example there is a 3dB difference, for every kind of panning law type. Am I missing something?

rivermusicman

Would that affect stereo tracks that are being exported as well? If so, I wouldn't want that option. If it affects only mono tracks, that would be perfect, as I obviously wouldn't have to remember to check the interleave. Is changing the pan-law to -3dB done by simply changing the PanLaw entry in the Aud.ini file from 0 to -3?

Please disregard my above question about how to change the panning law settings, of course it's in the Driver Settings preferences, my apologies.
Tim

I don't think you are missing anything... you seem to have considered all the choices.

I realize that I was mistaken about what will happen in the specific circumstance you are working with.

I guess I never export a mono track and always export stereo tracks, simply by circumstance, not by preference, and so I thought 0dB Center Balance control would eliminate the issue.

It will not, but in all other respects it seems to me that 0dB Center Balance control is the most predictable and offers the least unexpected consequences so that is why I prefer to use it.

best regards,
mike

Frank Haas


I know that you have "suggested" to do so.. but did he really do it ?

Good point Frank.

Glad you got it sorted anyway Tim.