2015/06/01 08:09:59
Ian1957
Hi Guys
Have just purchased Music Creator 7 but I am very new to this, many years ago I did dabble with Garage Band. So, now that I am semi retired I plan to learn how to play music.
I have never done this before. So in your opinion which keyboard will best suit my needs.
Cheers
Ian 
2015/06/01 11:42:09
Beagle
Hi Ian,
welcome
 
that question has a lot of variables that you need to answer. 
 
a MIDI controller doesn't have any sounds itself, you have to use softsynths in MC to get it to make sounds.
a keyboard has sounds that you can record EITHER the MIDI output or the AUDIO output to record the actual sounds.  usually you don't want to do that unless you're recording a keyboard which sounds really good (one of the higher end keyboards such as Nord, Yamaha Motif, Roland Fantom, Hammond, etc)
All modern keyboards will do BOTH sounds AND MIDI.
All controllers will only do MIDI.
 
most modern MIDI from keyboards are done through USB.  If your soundcard doesn't have MIDI ports then you definitely want to check to make sure the keyboard/controller you buy uses USB for MIDI I/O.
 
prices range from $50 to thousands (i.e. Yamaha Motif XF8 = ~$3700 street price).
 
the feel of the keyboard is another thing you need to consider.  if you're a pianist, you really want a controller/keyboard which has 88 weighted keys.  And none of the brands feel the same.  Personally I've tried a lot of weighted keyboards and my favorite feel is the CASIO Privia line.  Good value for the money, too. ($500 to $1000 new).
 
if you are an organ player, you want a keyboard with "waterfall" keys.  if you're not an organ player, you won't know what that is.  .  a budget organ with really good sounds and is very lightweight is the Hammond SK1 ($1900 new). 
 
If you want the synth feel, there are a lot of options.  My preference is the Yamaha line for this.  they put out some stuff which is geared more toward people who like to build up songs on the keyboard itself (ES series which are $250 and up), the PSR systems which are "personal keyboards" and geared toward beginners (starting around $99 and up) and the MX series which are low cost but higher end sounds than the ES systems ($500-$700) and the MOX series (or the MO series for used, older models) which are really powerful and great sounding synths without as much sequencer functionality ($1200 to $1700 for new) and the Motif series which are $2500 to $3700 and they are full blown sequencers.
 
I have not gone over MIDI controllers themselves.  I currently own 1 MIDI controller I use for "quick inputs" and that's an M-Audio Oxygen.  It's also good for taking on trips since it will fit in a suitcase and connect to my ipad.  but the keys are not full size keys, they're actually even smaller than synth keys and they're slick and sometimes my fingers slip off of them. 
 
what kind of soundcard are you using with MC?  are you trying to use the onboard soundcard?  If so, I recommend getting a recording soundcard instead.  we can help you with selection of that as well.  But it's more important than the keyboard itself, IMO.
2015/06/01 13:30:26
Ian1957
Thanks for that comprehensive reply.
I am using the on board sound card which at the moment I cant get it to play midi..LoL.  
I was looking at this Yamaha PSRE243 61-Key Portable Keyboard as a starting keyboard. This does not have pressure sensative keys. Will that be a problem? I was hoping that I could use this to both start my adventure in to learning how to play and as an input device for Music Creator.
Cheers
Ian
2015/06/01 14:05:57
Ian1957
Got the midi to play back 
2015/06/01 14:50:11
scook
I am not sure how you are playing MIDI back but if you enabled the Microsoft GS Wavetable synth you might want to reconsider using it. Tutorial #4 walks through the process of using soft synths to generate sound. All the tutorials are linked to the Getting Started section of the help menu.
 
I cannot comment on your choice of keyboard. I am not a keyboard player but have used a series of cheap 49 key MIDI keyboards as input devices. I use 49 key devices because of the size issues.
2015/06/01 16:14:58
Ian1957
Thanks Scook for the info. Having a little difficulty doing what you said but I will persevere. 
Cheers
Ian
2015/06/01 16:19:04
scook
With no MIDI output selected in Preferences > MIDI > Devices try opening a MIDI file (not a project file cwp extension). MC will automatically setup TTS-1, one of the bundled synths, to play the file.
2015/06/01 16:30:39
azslow3
Ian1957
I was looking at this Yamaha PSRE243 61-Key Portable Keyboard as a starting keyboard. This does not have pressure sensative keys. Will that be a problem?

Yes, that is a problem.
In that price range have a look at MIDI keyboards (without sound). All synth with 49+ keys under $500 are toys.
 
For any kind of piano music you need piano like action. Yamaha P-45/ Korg SP-170 are cheapest. But (already mentioned) Casio, Kawai, Yamaha, Roland $1000+ are devices to look at in case you are serious. Cheapest "hi-end" (digital) piano action is Kawai VPC1 (no sound! just MIDI keyboard). Piano players can at some degree imitate piano using synth action, but most of them have learned playing on real one...
 
For other music I am not the one who can recommend something.
2015/06/01 16:34:17
Beagle
TTS-1 is what I mentioned above as a "softsynth"; short for "software synthesizer"  you send MIDI to it and it makes the sounds for the output.  MS GS Wavetable is basically a "lookup table" on the onboard chip and the sounds are very limited.
 
Once you start understanding how to use TTS-1, you should start looking at tutorials on how to use Cakewalk SoundCenter because the sounds there are much better than the ones in TTS-1.  SoundCenter has "sampled sounds" which basically means they recorded each note of each instrument and when you send a MIDI signal to Music Creator it translates that to the appropriate recorded sound.
 
As far as the PSRE-243, it's fine for a starting keyboard.  it should be able to send MIDI data to MC using USB and will play sounds on its own as well (so if you prefer you can hook up audio cables to your soundcard instead of using softsynths and MIDI).  it has synth based keys which are "springy" not weighted and not waterfall edges. 
 
the feel is only for YOUR decision, whether you get weighted, synth or semi-weighted or anything in between doesn't matter as far as sending MIDI data to MC.  so if you can play a synth non-weighted keyboard, then it shouldn't be a problem.
2015/06/01 18:17:23
azslow3
Beagle
As far as the PSRE-243, it's fine for a starting keyboard.  it should be able to send MIDI data to MC using USB and will play sounds on its own as well (so if you prefer you can hook up audio cables to your soundcard instead of using softsynths and MIDI).  it has synth based keys which are "springy" not weighted and not waterfall edges.

With all respect, are you serious about recommending not sensitive keyboard to someone, even as a starting one? Soundwise he can play computer keyboard with the same result... May be 343?
 
I had my fun with not sensitive mini toy (I think it was Yamaha) as well as not sensitive Casio "full size". As a toy, 25 years ago, they was not bad.
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