2017/02/24 10:00:28
RobWS
Many years ago I remember a local Philly radio station discussing the most underrated bands of the day.  They listed The Kinks and Rush and one other band that I don’t recall today.  But this has made me think for a long time about record producers.  Who do you feel would make that list?  It’s not as though they’re unknown, they just don’t rise to the surface when names are mentioned.
 
Prior to Sir George Martin producing the Beatles, who even knew what a producer was?  His role as the fifth Beatle opened up the world of record production to the general public.  Other names have been highly regarded over the years; Roy Thomas Baker is one that comes to mind.
 
But what about those names not instantly rising to the surface?  I’d like to hear your votes.  I’ll start with my number one name that I have thought about for many years; Jeff Lynne.
 
As an example, the 1977 ELO double album Out Of The Blue is about as great a production gem as anything.  Jeff wrote all the songs in under a month, (I know, Handel wrote Messiah in under a month too).  The recording took a bit over two months.  There are so many examples of production genius on every song.  His use of an orchestral string section as just another instrument in the band is a totally different concept compared to what the Moody Blues did.   His orchestra was even used as a lead instrument many times, as if it were one instrument.
 
Jeff’s use of echo was ear-catching because it was not for background, but more for enhancing the pulse of the rhythm.  His use of background harmony vocals was used similarly, just like another band instrument would be placing accents throughout the song.  Even though his backing vocals were not the sky scrapers that Queen built, they still accomplished a similar end result in some places.  His use of chunky Gibson Les Paul guitar rhythms were huge.  And his arranging skills always impress me.  Although I’m sure keyboardist Richard Tandy had something to do with that as well.
 
What is really amazing is that he did all of that without a single plugin.  No digital editing, only tape.  You had to get it right.  It makes me feel lazy with today’s technology.  If you really want to hone your skills, use tape and outboard hardware gear.  Digital?  What’s digital?
 
So therefore, Jeff Lynn gets my vote for underrated record producer.  If I could give my second vote, it would go to Jimmy Page.  I won’t go in to all of the reasons that I just did with Jeff, but because he is known as a masterful guitarist and songwriter and performer, his production skills get pushed to the rear, but just as brilliant as Jeff Lynn.
 
Who would you vote for and why?  Thanks for chiming in.
 
2017/02/24 10:18:37
pwalpwal
if you count jeff lynn as underrated what chance do any others stand?
2017/02/24 11:00:13
batsbrew
Robin Lumley
AWESOME TALENT.
 
 
Martin Birch.
 
Josh Homme/James Lavelle
 
Jaco Pastorius
 
John Cuniberti
 
Mike Fraser
 
so many good ones
 
 
 
2017/02/24 12:21:23
RobWS
pwalpwal
 
Your point is well taken.  Let me explain my reasoning for naming Jeff Lynne.
 
Don Knotts made a name for himself by playing the character Deputy Barney Fife.  He went on from there to other TV shows and many movies.  But everyone associates the name Don Knotts with Barney Fife no matter how many other characters he played.  He even made a similar statement in an interview near the end of his life.  He was always Barney Fife to everyone.
 
My perception of Jeff Lynne is as the leader of the Electric Light Orchestra.  He went on to many other successful tasks in the music industry.  Maybe it’s just my point of view looking at the industry over the past 40 – 50 – 60 years.  I’m not looking at what’s the latest task anyone has accomplished, just what comes to mind first when a name is mentioned.  Maybe others equate the name Jeff Lynne with producer off the top of their head.  But, I don’t think producer is the first thing that comes to mind when mentioning Jimmy Page.  You see my point?  That’s why I perceive him to be an underrated producer.
 
I’m curious, what is your perception of the name Jeff Lynne?  (Not trying to limit this post to just him).
2017/02/24 13:49:00
sven450
Whoever produced Remy Zero's Villa Elaine and The Golden Hum.   Those albums are incredible sounding (especially the rock solid low end) yet I don't know who produced them.  Here is one of my favorites.
 
https://www.youtube.com/w...NEB1wzMxB&index=19
2017/02/24 14:18:14
Lynn
Todd Rundgren, who produced Meatloaf, Hall and Oates, Grand Funk Railroad, and many others besides himself.
2017/02/24 15:21:03
jamesg1213
I can think of plenty of producers I admire, but not one who's 'under-rated'.
2017/02/25 11:58:48
tlw
Having seen the Kinks twice in the late 70s I'd say they were far from under-rated. Quite the opposite in fact. They were really dreadful. Sounded like two bands who found themselves sharing the same stage at the same time, each absolutely determined to ignore the other.
2017/02/25 12:16:41
pwalpwal
RobWS
I’m curious, what is your perception of the name Jeff Lynne?  (Not trying to limit this post to just him).


well, not only did he do the elo stuff, he also did the post-beatles beatles stuff, i'm not sure what you mean really? he's widely acknowledged for his producer skills... (good thread though!)
2017/02/25 12:18:30
pwalpwal
and todd rundgren's certainly not underrated! (except maybe in his own mind ;-) )
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