Sorry to pour water on all the sop & sentiment but I find it a bit insulting to make a non offer such as this.

I wonder how many have P5 and don't have SONAR? Is this really an offer of support. I would reckon that more Project 5 owners also have SONAR rather than not so it really makes this cross grade offer, a non-offer.

Its of no use to me and I bet the majority of us - This is what Cakewalk have said
"....we weren’t able to garner enough commercial success to make Project5 a viable product" indicating that there aren't that many users of P5 in the first place; relatively speaking of course.

As for the opening statement: "We regret to inform you that as of today there will be no further development on Project5." Precisely what development has taken place since the 2.5 update. None.....so surely you mean that today is the day of announcement not the day that development has ceased. That day was quite some time ago.

Now I've got that off my chest.

I guess P5 will be bundled along with SONAR 9, and labelled as a great song development tool. Lately Cakewalk have been misrepresenting their support of loyal customers far too much in ways that benefit them not the loyal user, What with this crossgrade non-offer and the DimPro give away with S8, and selling the forum as a product feature in SONAR - Not too much loyalty in that that I can see but a lot off marketing hype that really amounts to diddly squat.

I guess P5 will be bundled along with SONAR 9, and labelled as a great song development tool. Lately Cakewalk have been misrepresenting their support of loyal customers far too much in ways that benefit them not the loyal user, What with this crossgrade non-offer and the DimPro give away with S8, and selling the forum as a product feature in SONAR - Not too much loyalty in that that I can see but a lot off marketing hype that really amounts to diddly squat.

Yep. Something very un-Cakewalk-ish is afloat making decisions, I fear. Too bad. They probably have no choice, really. And that's just sad.

ah well I am getting mac next anyhow (for sure now). P5 was by far the best host I ever used though.

I'm sorry I bought this thing..... Never used it either... Hoping one day it would get even close to Ableton Live.....

Thanks for nothing Cakewalk...

R

Well said...

"I wonder how many have P5 and don't have SONAR? Is this really an offer of support. I would reckon that more Project 5 owners also have SONAR rather than not so it really makes this cross grade offer, a non-offer.

Its of no use to me and I bet the majority of us - This is what Cakewalk have said"

Well.... and there is is. So long CW. Yeah, I own SONAR (drank the "upgrade" koolaide at SONAR 6, dont use it), DimPro, Rapture, Project 5. Im done. There are far better apps out there than SONAR, and equally good softsynths. P5 was the only thing that really stood out from a creativity point.

Man its sad cant imagine finding a daw I would like as much, I feel robbed.

Are all you guys gonna move on, or are you gonna carry on using this.

Sad news. I "got it" from day one. Even though I didn't own it until a few years later. I think this is simply a bad marketing decision. The reason "we weren’t able to garner enough commercial success to make Project5 a viable product" is because you didn't choose to promote it. You were (and are) so hung up on Sonar that you can't see anything else. The blinders are on. Well here's a news flash: Just like there came a Web 2.0 where the old ways of website design were deprecated, so is coming a "DAW 2.0" where the old ways of DAW development and usage will be deprecated. People want leaner, meaner, easier production environments. Sonar has become a giant bloated, gold-plated yearly subscription device which still has yet to make any inroads as a truly professional (i.e. used by professionals in top-level commercial music production) product. Cowtowing to the typical geetar/bass yahoo who uses Sonar in his basement will only get you so far. How many more years will these guys pony up the $180 or so for the Sonar upgrade? And how will you attract new users to a community full of 50 year-olds?

Again, bad decision. Unless......in its place is coming that "DAW 2.0" product. That would not surprise me at all and I will be happy to see it.

In the meantime, I think putting all the company's eggs in the Sonar basket is anything but a wise move. Musicians are notoriously cheap and fickle. I hear Propellerheads is coming out with something new. Presonus is coming out with a new DAW. There will be others. The old DAW warhorses of the 1990s, just gold-plated year after year are showing their age. Time for something new.

Project5 was that and could have continued to be that given a little bit of development.

Anyway, I guess thanks for finally letting us know something officially which most of us figured out a couple of years ago.

The offer for Sonar is generous to be sure, but if we wanted Sonar I'd say it's likely we'd already have Sonar.

So I'd chalk that up to another awkward misread misstep

Terry: It wasn't him, Charley, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and you said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." You remember that? "This ain't your night"! My night! I coulda taken Wilson apart! So what happens? He gets the title shot outdoors on the ballpark and what do I get? A one-way ticket to Palooka-ville! You was my brother, Charley, you shoulda looked out for me a little bit. You shoulda taken care of me just a little bit so I wouldn't have to take them dives for the short-end money.
Charlie: Oh I had some bets down for you. You saw some money.
Terry: You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it. It was you, Charley.

When they said ending all support I didn't think that the page to the 2.5.1 update would go awol and project5.com disappear over night...

Poor show old boy

I still wonder how much work it would of been to make Project5 an FX to put into Sonar instead of by ReWire.


Anyway at least Project5 owners have closure

Ed