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2017/01/29 08:32:38
David
John , your wording of distortion has us confused as we are not hearing a "distortion".
   what are you monitoring on?   does is sound the same to you on anther system?
Your reverb is not flattering your voice at all , makes it sound very boxy.
   Take off all effects except eq and try find the frequency you are hearing by boosting
with a narrow q and sweeping till you find it then cut that frequency .  
 
 
2017/01/29 09:20:37
bitflipper
Hi John. I just gave the dry isolated track a listen, and I don't hear any distortion or other technical flaws there. It's well-compressed and the EQ sounds natural. I then downloaded it and brought it up in Audition for a more objective analysis. There is no clipping, overs or dropouts. I looked for evidence of acoustical problems, and although there's a tiny bit of comb filtering showing in the spectragram it's not enough to be audible to my ears.
 
Maybe you're just disappointed with the new microphone. If you're not accustomed to using a quality condenser, the raw sound of it can seem awfully thin and dry. But it's just being brutally accurate. Unlike a dynamic, a condenser does almost nothing to help you sound better. I actually prefer the sound of my own voice through a cheap dynamic, and usually only put up the "good" mics when I'm recording somebody else!
 
If the photo shows where you actually record your vocals, it's too close to the wall. That could account for the comb filtering. Do some tests with the mic in different positions, always with the dead side facing the wall. The acoustic foam is no doubt helping, but absorption is never perfect or completely linear.
2017/01/29 09:22:34
Guitarhacker
I also didn't hear any distortion or gritty sound as you described it.
 
A solo track might show it.   But it's interesting that a super clean track is often not desired either because it sounds "too clean" and the solution is to use a vocal warmer plug in which is nothing more than a distortion plug in that adds some grittiness back to the vocal track and makes it sound warmer to the ear.
 
The only thing I heard was a fairly good recording. 
 
Quite often we are not satisfied with our own voice when we hear it recorded and tend to try to nit pick it to death in an attempt to "fix it" somehow.  Everyone has a different voice and you gotta work with the one you have. I didn't really like my voice either when I first started recording. If only I could sound like so and so.... but that ain't never gonna happen. You gotta learn to work with YOUR voice. So.... If you're not liking your own voice, there are things you can do to change it a bit.   It might help to do some vocal exercises to strengthen your voice. That usually improves ones voice a bit, and sometimes pretty dramatically. The other thing is to work with the gear you have and your singing and figure out how best to record it and where your voice fits into the music.  Not every sounds like Barry White or Barry Gibb.
 
Buying good quality gear isn't going to make you sound better, in fact it often does the exact opposite because now, you can hear all the issues and nits, that you were missing before.... kinda like hi-def TV isn't always kind to actors on close ups. 
 
Don't quit or give up.... keep working and you will reach a point of balance.
 
Another option is get a singer whose voice you do like and start working with them.
 
Hope this helps a bit.
2017/01/29 09:52:29
stevesweat
Guitarhacker
I also didn't hear any distortion or gritty sound as you described it.
 
A solo track might show it.   But it's interesting that a super clean track is often not desired either because it sounds "too clean" and the solution is to use a vocal warmer plug in which is nothing more than a distortion plug in that adds some grittiness back to the vocal track and makes it sound warmer to the ear.
 
The only thing I heard was a fairly good recording. 
 
Quite often we are not satisfied with our own voice when we hear it recorded and tend to try to nit pick it to death in an attempt to "fix it" somehow.  Everyone has a different voice and you gotta work with the one you have. I didn't really like my voice either when I first started recording. If only I could sound like so and so.... but that ain't never gonna happen. You gotta learn to work with YOUR voice. So.... If you're not liking your own voice, there are things you can do to change it a bit.   It might help to do some vocal exercises to strengthen your voice. That usually improves ones voice a bit, and sometimes pretty dramatically. The other thing is to work with the gear you have and your singing and figure out how best to record it and where your voice fits into the music.  Not every sounds like Barry White or Barry Gibb.
 
Buying good quality gear isn't going to make you sound better, in fact it often does the exact opposite because now, you can hear all the issues and nits, that you were missing before.... kinda like hi-def TV isn't always kind to actors on close ups. 
 
Don't quit or give up.... keep working and you will reach a point of balance.
 
Another option is get a singer whose voice you do like and start working with them.
 
Hope this helps a bit.


I agree with Guitarhacker. I too hate my voice and mostly harmonize. Like others mentioned, I also don't like the reverb you used - easy to overdo any reverb, really. FWIW your voice reminds me a lot of R Stevie Moore.
2017/01/29 14:52:38
mudgel
Could be something in the monitoring setup that only you can hear on playback/monitoring as it seems we can't hear what you're describing. Check your speakers and leads.
2017/01/29 16:02:44
Johnbee58
Thanks all for taking time to listen and offering your input.  Your observations are making sense to me.  I think I've caused undue confusion by using the word "distortion", but it sounds like a dirty gritty sound.  Not on all the notes but some.  Maybe if it was somebody else's voice, I wouldn't notice so much.  In regards to the person who suggested vocal warmups, etc, it's true that my voice is getting weaker.  I'll be 62 this coming July, but that's not what was disturbing me about this.  It was a sonic and not a performance issue.  I listen to my tracks mostly on my Sony Walkman thru my Beats headphones.  That's my exercise for my diabetes.   Sometimes I think it's just ear fatigue because if I turn it off for a few hours and go back later, it doesn't sound half bad.  Anyway, I've burned myself out on this tune.  I'll try something different (reverb, eq setting, mic positioning etc) next tune.  I greatly appreciate all of your suggestions.
 
John B.
2017/01/29 16:42:45
bitflipper
Johnbee58
...I listen to my tracks mostly on my Sony Walkman thru my Beats headphones.  That's my exercise for my diabetes.

Well, there ya go. Beats. Ugh. You probably paid a couple hundred bucks for them, too. Sorry.
 
Monster notoriously doesn't publish headphone specs, their official stand being users don't care about specs. No, I did not make that up. They actually said that. Apparently, which pop star endorses them is more important than, say, impedance. I've seen reviewers state that their impedance is quite low, potentially making them incompatible with many low-powered devices and - most germane to this discussion - prone to distortion.
 
I, too, listen to my mixes while walking (also for medical reasons). Once upon a time, I'd use high-end IEMs on my walks, but they kept breaking so I switched to cheap ($39) Sennheiser earbuds. No low end, no high end and prone to distortion - but still relevant insofar as I could still distinguish a decent mix from a bad one. I just never made any big decisions based on what I heard through them until confirming the problem on my studio monitors.
 
 
 
2017/01/29 19:08:13
Johnbee58
Bit-
I'd tend to agree with you on any other equipment but the Walkman.  The Walkman and the Beat headphones are the perfect combination IMHO.  I don't know what it is, but no matter how crappy my mixes sound on my other gear, speakers or headphones (I monitor vocal tracks and mixes with a good pair of Sennheisers, BTW) my stuff sounds much better on the Walkman/Beats combo, and that's good (for me).   But I do know what you mean as far as the lacking on any other gear.  In fact, at least for my own use, the Walkman/Beats combo is my "benchmark".  If the mix sounds good on them, that's good enough.
 
John B.
2017/01/29 20:28:05
SPress57
I think you've got adequate answers (they address the questions you ask). I'll offer another opinion though. I hear no "grittiness."  I listened to both the original mix and the dry vocals.  You're coming through cleanly.  I detect no artifacts of equipment or weird contributions of the room.  I think Guitarman and TLW said it like I would--your own voice, recorded and played back, can be a real problem.  I hate listening to myself that way.  I think I sound great when I hear me through my own head...transmitted through bone and sinew with all the attendant attenuation/amplification/EQ those head structures provide.  But played back to be heard as others hear me?  YUK!
Some years ago, when I was still in my singing prime, I sang a duet with my brother.  I kept thinking as we would practice and then as we performed before an audience, "I really don't like his voice."  Mine, however, pleased me greatly.  Then--horror--I heard the recording that had been done.  I sounded just like my brother.  Our vocal timbre is so close that our sound meshes well.  Still, I just didn't like hearing it.  We sound so alike.  What I didn't like in his voice was strikingly in mine too.  I sound like him and he like me.
 
You might want to record the song with another vocalist, if you can get one.  Otherwise, I'd suggest leaving this song for another one or at least giving it a long rest.
 
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2017/01/30 07:32:41
patm300e
Not to hijack the thread, but to inject this little tidbit of knowledge...
bitflipper
Once upon a time, I'd use high-end IEMs on my walks, but they kept breaking so I switched to cheap ($39) Sennheiser earbuds. No low end, no high end and prone to distortion - but still relevant insofar as I could still distinguish a decent mix from a bad one. I just never made any big decisions based on what I heard through them until confirming the problem on my studio monitors.
 

I too listen on cheap headphones - Taotronic Bluetooth...https://www.amazon.com/TaoTronics-Bluetooth-Headphones-Wireless-Earphones/dp/B01GNYFT8E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1485779339&sr=8-3&keywords=Taotronics+Bluetooth+Headphones

The bottom end was REALLY lacking on these until I found these:
http://www.complyfoam.com/
 
I ordered the ones for my headphones and WOW what a difference.  They essentially formed a MUCH better seal of my ear canal.  I can reduce the volume AND have better bass response.  They also have a version for IEMs that is just a foam wrap around the custom ear piece.  Haven't tried that yet, but I plan to!
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