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2018/01/02 14:02:15
Markubl2
Jeff Evans
Talking negatively about specific individual people means one is of poor mind.  As opposed to challenging narrow thinking of some.



And that is exactly what we are doing.  Challenging your narrow thinking.  
2018/01/02 14:09:01
BobF
tenfoot
This debate follows the same circular path accross multiple threads. It is plainly obvious to anyone that has used them all (and has no bias) that S1 is not as midi capable as Sonar or Cubase, but it is an excellent DAW. As soon as anyone points this out, someone comes along and erroneously claims that anything that you can't do in S1 is not worth doing, therefore studio one is equally as good, or even better since in the absence of all of those extra features you can concentrate on your music.
 
Madness. I blame alternative facts:) 




That last line reminds me of something funny (to me anyway)
 

2018/01/02 14:31:37
anydmusic
In the UK a Hammer is sometimes called the "Birmingham Screwdriver" as a reference to making the tool in your hand fit the job in front of you. Sure you can use a hammer to drive in a screw but a screwdriver is better and personally I prefer a power screwdriver, right tool for the job and easy to use.
2018/01/03 01:59:41
abacab
So just to weigh in with my two cents, I found Midi Quest by Sound Quest to be the best MIDI solution when I was still using hardware synths >>  https://squest.com/
 
I am surprised that anybody working extensively with hardware has not mentioned this program yet.
 
I have since stored my hardware synths, and am all in the box these days with soft synths.  But the thing that I liked most about Midi Quest was that it offered me the convenience similar to using soft synths with external MIDI hardware.
 
Being a universal MIDI editor/librarian, you have an editing interface for your supported synths that lets you avoid the tiny LCD front panels and button pushing.  You can save your entire MIDI studio setup with one click.  Send/receive banks with sysex. 
 
IMHO, I never really liked the Cakewalk instrument definitions feature.  And I have been using Cakewalk for 20 years...  If I was still using hardware on a regular basis, I would invest in the latest version of Midi Quest, use my DAW of choice, and get on with life!!!
2018/01/03 10:58:12
Jeff Evans
I have mentioned editors but no one seems to be paying any attention. And yes Midi Quest is excellent.
2018/01/03 12:43:31
soens
A bit expensive ($149, $249, or $349) if you just want patch name capability, which Sonar already does.
 
I know it does a lot more but I already have a FREE patch/sequence editor for my rig.
2018/01/03 14:21:37
abacab
soens
A bit expensive ($149, $249, or $349) if you just want patch name capability, which Sonar already does.
 
I know it does a lot more but I already have a FREE patch/sequence editor for my rig.




True, but Sonar is a dead-end now without further support, and the majority of serious users are looking into DAW alternatives that do not have the same capabilities.  This is an good alternative if you must have external patch support.
 
Having a patch editor is also a big plus for older eyes that tire of squinting at at tiny screens. 
2018/01/03 14:32:45
Markubl2
abacab
and the majority of serious users are looking into DAW alternatives that do not have the same capabilities.  



Sweet!  Does this mean I'm a serious user?  Can I tell my wife that?  (I went through a little spending spree at Christmas)
2018/01/03 14:47:31
anydmusic
husker
abacab
and the majority of serious users are looking into DAW alternatives that do not have the same capabilities.  



Sweet!  Does this mean I'm a serious user?  Can I tell my wife that?  (I went through a little spending spree at Christmas)


I tried the serious user line once and my wife suggested rehab.
2018/01/03 15:25:50
anydmusic
abacab
soens
A bit expensive ($149, $249, or $349) if you just want patch name capability, which Sonar already does.
 
I know it does a lot more but I already have a FREE patch/sequence editor for my rig.




True, but Sonar is a dead-end now without further support, and the majority of serious users are looking into DAW alternatives that do not have the same capabilities.  This is an good alternative if you must have external patch support.
 
Having a patch editor is also a big plus for older eyes that tire of squinting at at tiny screens. 


OK as a Midi Quest I would say that if you only use it for Instrument Definitions you've missed the point. 
 
It can help you manage Instrument Definitions and the implementation in Sonar makes that a lot easier than Cubase a feature that I will miss.
 
Where Midi Quest comes into its own, assuming that you have enough supported hardware devices to justify the cost, that of course could be 1, is the ability to manage your MIDI devices sat by your computer. As already pointed out sound editing is made really easy and the ability to undo a change or save a version of the sound before you make another edit really help. 
 
Another feature already mentioned is the ability to save the current setup quickly then restore it at a future date. You could do this on a per song basis or use a timeline approach. Another trick that I liked with Sonar was copying SYSEX data from MIDI Quest and pasting it into the SYSEX View which is just so much easier that creating Dump Request Macros.
 
You can create libraries of sounds by device and these are great if you remember to tag the individual sounds otherwise you can end up looking for a needle in a haystack. If you have previously bought sound banks for your Synth you can normally open and manage these in their original format which is useful if you remember that the sound you want came with "that set".
 
Most of the Editors are pretty well laid out. There will always be some compromises because its Universal rather than product specific. There are also a few different styles so sometimes different elements are displayed alongside each other while for other Synths the Elements will be on different pages. I have learnt that when I can't see what I want there will be an option on the screen that will reveal it.
 
There are various randomisers and morphing features for times when you run out of ideas and are looking for some inspiration. You can also search for "similar" sounds which is useful but you have to remember that because it is basically a HEX data comparison you get some weird results as well as useful ones especially for S&S type modules. Note that there are also ways to limit/control these features.
 
What I find really great about it is that it enables you to focus on the synthesis process rather than the specific devices architecture. Want to alter an envelope? It will be there on the screen in a graphic form with editing options. Want to alter the texture of a sound that combines multiple samples? You can quickly isolate the individual samples to hear what their contribution is and decide which one, or ones, to change. Of course you can do this through the hardware but what Midi Quest does is let you focus on the what instead of the how.
 
They also made a point of collecting as many Public Domain sounds as they could find for the supported devices and creating their own online libraries that you can access via the web (assuming that you have not decided to keep your system offline). 
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