kennywtelejazz
 
 What difference does it make ?
 
Both Apple and Microsoft are sucka$$  companies that only care about themselves and their bottom line .
 
Giving me what I really want or need in a quality computer (that I can afford ) does not seem high on either companies agenda
 
Kenny
 
 

First usefull post!!

So i see noon has seen the first video where Rick Beato is really advocating Hackintosh. And if you dont know what that is, here is a video about it:
 

Matron Landslide

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It only gives me more info to base mine on.

You shouldn't use others 'opinions' as a base for your own 'opinion', regardless of who they are, your opinion should be based pretty much entirely on your first hand experience with the product, basing an opinion on the opinion of others (even if partially), is pure folly, and almost certain to lead to erroneous assumptions, especially if there hasn't been any good solid first hand experience, that's just my opinion.  

How do you buy hardware online if you don’t trust any ones review of a product? I have never gotten the option to test a PC/Mac, soundcard, music instruments and amps at home before I buy. So, I have to trust others and their opinion in this. And I trust people over Big Company’s any day.

Rain

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How can one make a show without an oppinnion? Every artistik gesture is a statement.

That people say their opinnion on Youtube does not make them right, but it shoemws that they have guts to say it. You dont need to agree with them. I seldom do. But listening to others opinions does not weaken mine. It only gives me more info to base mine on.

 
What I mean is that this kind of review usually tells you more about the reviewer than the product they are allegedly reviewing. 

Underneath it all, there is usually very little substance. It's all bling and posturing.People wanting their 15 minutes of fame.
 
As for having the guts to say what they "think"...
 
I don't know what to tell you. Facebook. Yelp. The comment sections on every web site. Bloggers. Podcasts... Seems everyone is a journalist, a critic, a reviewer, an engineer, a physician, an astro physician, a biologist, a linguist, a psychologist, a climate specialist, and so on... Opinions are everywhere.
 
Although most of them can hardly spell their own name and many of them believe the earth is flat and Australia is made up.
 
Guts are not the problem. Brains are an entirely different story.
 
May also be worth mentioning that there's a lot of insecure people out there who seem to want Apple to fail - as if that somehow validated their choice of platform, least they feel threatened. There is such a thing as confirmation bias... 
 
I'm guessing this is why hardly a month goes by on most forums dedicated to PC software without someone posting some anti-Apple content. People have been posting about the demise of Apple for as long as I've been making music on a computer almost two decades ago.... Conjectures and nothing more.
 

So, you don’t want people to say their opinion?
Does their opinion hurt your opinion in some way?
And what is the criteria to be able to tell one’s opinion?
Do you have to be healthy in any way?
Like if you have a disability your disqualified to tell yours because you can’t spell or something?
And who are you to tell who’s the one with the biggest brain?
Does a chess match do the trick?
 
And lastly.
Why love a big company that don’t love you back?
It’s the same with Apple, Microsoft, Google and the rest.

ØSkald

But why not a Hackintosh instead?

 
I seriously looked into it.  But first off, you need a copy of OSX.  I don't have one,  and Apple doesn't sell it without the hardware.  I don't know how others got theirs, but I wanted a serious music machine for professional work.  I'm not trusting illegal or pirated software for professional work. Especially the OS.
 
Also,  it seemed  complicated. I looked at tony mac and other sites.  You need specific hardware and hex this and that...I'm capable of doing it...but the time and energy...it ends up costing a lot more than just buying a mac.
 
Finally what convinced me was the release of the new 2018 MacBook pros 15 a couple of weeks ago.  The hardware is plenty powerful.  The  display is gorgeous. The machine itself is top quality.  The integration with the os and hardware is great.  I even love the touchbar and the keyboard.  And the supposedly 'dongle gate' is not even a real issue.  I bought these little USB A to USB c adaptors that I plug to the end of my existing USB A cables.  They where $10 a pair.  No big deal.   
 
 

Hugh Mann

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But why not a Hackintosh instead?

 
I seriously looked into it.  But first off, you need a copy of OSX.  I don't have one,  and Apple doesn't sell it without the hardware.  I don't know how others got theirs, but I wanted a serious music machine for professional work.  I'm not trusting illegal or pirated software for professional work. Especially the OS.
 
Also,  it seemed  complicated. I looked at tony mac and other sites.  You need specific hardware and hex this and that...I'm capable of doing it...but the time and energy...it ends up costing a lot more than just buying a mac.
 
Finally what convinced me was the release of the new 2018 MacBook pros 15 a couple of weeks ago.  The hardware is plenty powerful.  The  display is gorgeous. The machine itself is top quality.  The integration with the os and hardware is great.  I even love the touchbar and the keyboard.  And the supposedly 'dongle gate' is not even a real issue.  I bought these little USB A to USB c adaptors that I plug to the end of my existing USB A cables.  They where $10 a pair.  No big deal.   

Thats great.

Apple is so “done” that it’s expected to soon become the first company valued at $1,000,000,000,000.

tlw
Apple is so “done” that it’s expected to soon become the first company valued at $1,000,000,000,000.

That's not because of their computer sales.  
Apple was on-the-brink before the original iPhone was released. 

The reason higher-end Pros are moving from Apple - because their hardware *lags* (years sometimes) behind the curve... and there's literally zero internal expansion.  
Apple has essentially abandoned their long-time audio/video power-users.
 
Many Mac based composers are forced to use VE Pro "Slave" machines... to achieve the configuration/performance they need.
 
ie:  Composing for popular video games has opened up new career opportunities.
In this realm, the music needs to be similar to what you'd hear in a feature film, but there's no budget for recording a full orchestra.  Sample libraries are used to create the dense orchestral "mock-ups". 
Video game composers push computer hardware/software to the limits.

• High clock-speed
• Intel i7 or i9 CPU with six+ CPU cores
• 64-128GB RAM
• Numerous SSDs (with room to expand)
• Low/consistent DPC Latency (able to run heavy loads at smallest ASIO buffer size - completely glitch-free)
• Machine needs to be extremely quiet

 
The new iMac Pro has some significant limitations:
Want to swap the boot-drive?  It's a trip to the Apple store. Do it yourself... and you void the warranty.
You have to peel off the screen to replace the boot drive.  Total PITA - I've done it.
Want to add a second internal data drive?  The only option is external USB or Thunderbolt.
Last time I checked, a 1TB conventional Thunderbolt HD was $200.
I have a machine full of drives (6 SATA SSDs, 2 M.2 Ultra SSDs, and two conventional HDs).  To make these all external/Thunderbolt would be well over $2k.
Want to add RAM?  You have to use "Apple" RAM.  In the past, you could use 3rd-party RAM (much less expensive).
If you're a user who pushes the CPU hard (video rendering), the iMac (normally quiet) will get quite loud.
The case is sleek and looks great, but there's no space for over-spec'd cooling.
Inside, it's almost as tight as a laptop.
 
The latest gen MacBook Pros are sleek machines that perform well for their given specs.
We have one here... maxed out.  It can trigger moderate sample-loads cleanly down to a 32-sample ASIO buffer size.
Want to add RAM to a current generation MacBook Pro?
You're SOL.  There's no adding RAM.
As with the iMac Pro, there's no space for a second (internal) data drive.
If you're more of a power-user, the 7700HQ CPU isn't going to run the loads of a fast well-configured tower.
ie: The Intel i7-8086k was recently released ($400 CPU) with six cores that can all be locked at 5GHz.
You simply can't put that kind of clock-speed in super tight spaces.
 
As for Windows 10... it's a fine DAW platform.
Get the Pro version... which has the Group Policy Editor (which can be used to easily disable many unwanted components such as Cortana, OneDrive, etc).
Two Registry Tweaks can be added (only work in the Pro version) that completely shut down all automatic updates.
Once you've done these things, Win10 is a fantastic DAW platform.
 
 
 
 

I guess I'm mellowing with time. If the computer allows me to record music and I like the GUI of the daw I have no real preference. For those programs that are dual platform most functions are similar. If you can use one it doesn't take much to use the other. 
I admit I like core audio as compared to windows drivers. People like things that "just work" with little hassle. 
 
I go to other forums where there are all kinds of daw users. They all have problems.Mac or PC it doesn't seem to  matter. A carefully planned system will help to eliminate issues in either platform.
 
A few Mac users are envious that as a general rule hardware in PC can be spec'd better for less money. Apparently the last release of Cubase has more issues to run on Mac than on PC. I've heard people have problems with Logic.
There is no magic choice either way.
 
Both are major corporations. One gives a bit more freedom of choice than the other. Both are out to make money. I'm less enthusiastic of Apple as compared to Windows when it comes to longevity of the product before it becomes obsolete. The planned obsolescence time table for Apple seems shorter and more expensive than PC.
 
If you can make good music on a PC why change?
If you can make good music on a Mac why change?
 
Labeling just takes us away from the art.
 
PC takes a little more forethought to put together. Not enough to matter IMHO. I see no reason to get defensive either way. Obviously I chose PC or I would probably be on the Logic forum right now. I never looked back. I've been doing just fine.