2016/11/28 23:25:40
ChuckC
Randy P
 A good tip I learned years ago is that when mixing a song with vocals, is to make sure the kick, bass and vocal all play nicely together before bringing up the guitars, keys, etc. Those 3 are the elements that are going to sit in the middle of the sound stage, and if they don't sit well together you can end up chasing your tail...so to speak.


 Thanks Randy,  the above tip is F'ING BRILLIANT!   Can't believe I never thought of it that way, but what a damn smart way to attack the middle of your stereo image and make sure it is SOLID before worrying about the sides!  Thanks for that.  Even if I still start my mixes drums first (which I do), then bass...  I will now start to forgo the guitars till after I have the Vocal set up.  That makes more sense than I can explain.  I feel like a dipsh!t for not thinking of it myself!  
2016/11/29 07:37:42
patm300e
EQ Holes described here:
http://therecordingrevolution.com/mixing-with-eq-carving-eq-holes/
 
help the bass and the kick sit better together.  This technique can also be used with any instrument and vocals!
2016/11/29 08:54:16
Slugbaby
ChuckC
 
Thanks Randy,  the above tip is F'ING BRILLIANT!   Can't believe I never thought of it that way, but what a damn smart way to attack the middle of your stereo image and make sure it is SOLID before worrying about the sides!  Thanks for that.  Even if I still start my mixes drums first (which I do), then bass...  I will now start to forgo the guitars till after I have the Vocal set up.  That makes more sense than I can explain.  I feel like a dipsh!t for not thinking of it myself!  




You wrote exactly what i was thinking.
Thanks Randy!
2016/11/29 09:13:47
Randy P
You're quite welcome gents. The way I came up with the technique goes back to my live performing days in the 80's. I had a 4 piece hard rock band, with myself on rhythm guitar and lead vocal. Our back line was pretty stout. Myself and the lead guitarist both played through 100w Marshall stacks. The bassist played through 2 300+ watt Ampeg amps with 2 8X10 cabs. We could blow your hair back!
 
We got into the habit of doing our sound checks, by doing drums, bass and then vocals first. Only after those elements were balanced were we allowed to play our guitars. It also helped to keep our stage volume at a reasonable level. Stage monitors back then weren't all that great, so we were careful not to get too loud with the stage levels. Once we figured this out, the FOH engineer could push the PA as loud as was necessary for the venue and we got a lot of complements about how clear our sound was out front. Turns out it works the same with mixing recorded material, especially rock and roll.
2016/11/29 09:47:21
Slugbaby
Randy P
The bassist played through 2 300+ watt Ampeg amps with 2 8X10 cabs. We could blow your hair back!
 

I used to play through one 8x10.  Hit a low E, and I'd feel the legs of my jeans blow forward!
Kinda miss that these days...
2016/11/29 10:48:03
batsbrew
you don't need a VU meter to set up the bass/kick relationship as shown on the vid...
 
in fact, the meters that are built into sonar are just fine,
and instead of some artificial setting in the vu VST to shoot for,
simply set the kick at -18, and add in the bass until you hit -15 combined,
it's the same thing.
 
the digital meters have control of rms and peak value hold settings, 
set those up to somewhat match the velocity of the VU,
it'll be close enough for government work.

2016/11/29 11:05:11
Randy P
Slugbaby
Randy P
The bassist played through 2 300+ watt Ampeg amps with 2 8X10 cabs. We could blow your hair back!
 

I used to play through one 8x10.  Hit a low E, and I'd feel the legs of my jeans blow forward!
Kinda miss that these days...




Yup! Whenever we got on the big stages, he'd bring his other 2 cabs. I thought we were going to have to weld the drum kit down for fear it might vibrate off the stage.
2016/11/29 11:56:18
TheMaartian
Randy P
Slugbaby
Randy P
The bassist played through 2 300+ watt Ampeg amps with 2 8X10 cabs. We could blow your hair back!
 

I used to play through one 8x10.  Hit a low E, and I'd feel the legs of my jeans blow forward!
Kinda miss that these days...




Yup! Whenever we got on the big stages, he'd bring his other 2 cabs. I thought we were going to have to weld the drum kit down for fear it might vibrate off the stage.




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